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Old 05-07-2013, 06:10 AM   #1
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Default Apprentice nose wheel repair

My maiden flight of my E-Flite Apprentice took place today! As this was my first time flying, I taxied some on pavement before lifting off to the cheers of some onlookers. I flew for about a minute before bringing it down to land in a grassy field. All was fine until the nose gear struck something solid and the plane wound up on its' nose. Small crack in the cowling, but the plastic pivot piece that the nose gear wire slips into popped out. It doesn't appear to be broken, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how it popped out or how I can get it back into place. Anyone with experience with the Apprentice know what I mean and offer me some suggestions? I really want to get back up in the air.
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My maiden flight of my E-Flite Apprentice took place today! As this was my first time flying, I taxied some on pavement before lifting off to the cheers of some onlookers. I flew for about a minute before bringing it down to land in a grassy field. All was fine until the nose gear struck something solid and the plane wound up on its' nose. Small crack in the cowling, but the plastic pivot piece that the nose gear wire slips into popped out. It doesn't appear to be broken, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how it popped out or how I can get it back into place. Anyone with experience with the Apprentice know what I mean and offer me some suggestions? I really want to get back up in the air.
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I just looked at my sons ,are you talking about the part that the control rod hooks to? joehttp://www.horizonhobby.com/products/firewall-apprentice-15e-EFL2739
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Is it the plastic steering arm at the lower left?

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They are 4 bucks and some change from horrizon hobbys .
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I have gotten to where I prefer to make a steering arm from a wheel collar and a long screw replacing the setscrew. Add an aileron horn adapter and its all set.
http://shop.dubro.com/p/3-32-e-z-adj...0-thread?pp=12
(generally the setscrew in a DuBro wheel collar is 4-40)

If the "steering block" has failed then I tend to replace with
http://shop.dubro.com/p/steerable-no...bent-qty-pkg-1
Several sizes are available... with or without the strut. I usually get the blocks only package (didn't find it quickly)
If the strut is not a good fit you can drill larger or use brass tube to make up for excess slop. If going with the tube you want it to be a TIGHT fit in the nylon.

In a foam aircraft you can adapt for the DuBro steering block by gluing in an appx 2 X 2 1/2 inch piece of 1/8 inch ply. #4 wood screws should easily hold the block on for a less than 3 lb airplane. (if it pulls the screws something else would have broke if they held)
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I have gotten to where I prefer to make a steering arm from a wheel collar and a long screw replacing the setscrew. Add an aileron horn adapter and its all set.
http://shop.dubro.com/p/3-32-e-z-adj...0-thread?pp=12
(generally the setscrew in a DuBro wheel collar is 4-40)

If the "steering block" has failed then I tend to replace with
http://shop.dubro.com/p/steerable-no...bent-qty-pkg-1
Several sizes are available... with or without the strut. I usually get the blocks only package (didn't find it quickly)
If the strut is not a good fit you can drill larger or use brass tube to make up for excess slop. If going with the tube you want it to be a TIGHT fit in the nylon.

In a foam aircraft you can adapt for the DuBro steering block by gluing in an appx 2 X 2 1/2 inch piece of 1/8 inch ply. #4 wood screws should easily hold the block on for a less than 3 lb airplane. (if it pulls the screws something else would have broke if they held)
I would normaly go your rought fixing it but its longer than a normal steering arm ,so if he does buy a after markit one he will probly have to move the steering rod in .
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RK, if you go the wheel collar route, length of arm is set by the length of the bolt you use to replace the set screw. So would be easy enough to make one to work without the need to move the control rod.

This is the same type steering arm used on the PZ Trojan. When I broke mine, that's exactly how I fixed it. If you want to get tricky, use a spring between the collar and mount. Allows the wheel to have some shock absorber effect.

When I die, I want to go like my Grandfather did, in his sleep...... Not screaming like the passengers in his plane.
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RK, if you go the wheel collar route, length of arm is set by the length of the bolt you use to replace the set screw. So would be easy enough to make one to work without the need to move the control rod.

This is the same type steering arm used on the PZ Trojan. When I broke mine, that's exactly how I fixed it. If you want to get tricky, use a spring between the collar and mount. Allows the wheel to have some shock absorber effect.
Sounds good ,i have never seen one with that long of a arm but i think because its a trainer they did not want to much control on the nose wheel . joe
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Originally Posted by xmech2k View Post
Is it the plastic steering arm at the lower left?

Yes! It is the plastic steering arm. The force of the nose wheel being shoved backward popped the top of the steering arm out of the socket. Not broken, but I haven't yet been able to spread the "socket" open far enough to put the arm back in place.
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Originally Posted by HisFlite1 View Post
Yes! It is the plastic steering arm. The force of the nose wheel being shoved backward popped the top of the steering arm out of the socket. Not broken, but I haven't yet been able to spread the "socket" open far enough to put the arm back in place.
Now its just screw drivers sore fingers and maybe a drop of blood or two to get it spread apart and back on. I have never seen one with a open back either ,again desighned for taking rough landings from a new flyer so it can pop back on. You have to admitt they thought of about everything. joe
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I want to thank everyone that has chimed in on my post. I will prevail, one way or another, to get my Apprentice back in the air!
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Glad to help. Couldn't you just loosen the screw, pull out the gear, then re-install it correctly?
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Originally Posted by HisFlite1 View Post
I want to thank everyone that has chimed in on my post. I will prevail, one way or another, to get my Apprentice back in the air!
I would try streching it out some to get it limber enough to snap it back on but its not going to be easy if its tough plastic that small. I have read a thread where they turned the battery tray around to convert them to tail draggers and i might work mine loose and do just that later when my son is done with it. Good luck. joe
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Originally Posted by xmech2k View Post
Glad to help. Couldn't you just loosen the screw, pull out the gear, then re-install it correctly?
I just seen your post and you are alot smarter than i was .Great idea ! Loosen the set screw slide the nose gear out then slide the steering arm back in and slide the wire up through it again with out snapping a thing. Daaaaa Great post xmech !
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Hopefully I understood what Hisflite1 is describing....
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Originally Posted by xmech2k View Post
Hopefully I understood what Hisflite1 is describing....
I explained it as best as i could after you posted it. We all make things harder than they realy are but you naild it easy. joe
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Thanks Joe. As I was taught: Work like an electron. Follow the path of least resistance!
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Originally Posted by xmech2k View Post
Thanks Joe. As I was taught: Work like an electron. Follow the path of least resistance!
I follow the kiss method (keep it simple stuped ) and so far its worked good for me.lmao joe
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