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Old 07-07-2013, 03:09 AM   #1
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Howdy, one and all. Finally have some time to rest and catch up with things other than work,honey-dos, etc. As mentioned in a prior post I bought an electric hots and other items from a friend, who had built the hots and a Global Cessna Skylane(.60 version)., well maybe partially completed. After repairing the wingtip of the hots and adding the ailerons, and other flight surfaces. Now the big question, after weighting the hots with everything assembled, it weighted 14.5 ounces, of course the scales I'm using probally not all that precise. The research I've done indicates that the e-flite 450 ,brushless, is the way to go. Now, what about servos, esc,etc. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
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Howdy, one and all. Finally have some time to rest and catch up with things other than work,honey-dos, etc. As mentioned in a prior post I bought an electric hots and other items from a friend, who had built the hots and a Global Cessna Skylane(.60 version)., well maybe partially completed. After repairing the wingtip of the hots and adding the ailerons, and other flight surfaces. Now the big question, after weighting the hots with everything assembled, it weighted 14.5 ounces, of course the scales I'm using probally not all that precise. The research I've done indicates that the e-flite 450 ,brushless, is the way to go. Now, what about servos, esc,etc. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Hi use HXT 9 gram servos, they are very strong and inexpensive, Ues turnigy ESC they are the best ESC for the money, never had any problems with them, you may want to use a 25 to 30 Amp Turnigy Plush ESC
The Turnigy Lipos are very good too.



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1350 to 1800amh 3 cell lipo should work well for you, it all depends if you want to build lite or heavy
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...Lipo_Pack.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...Lipo_Pack.html

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Pick Up Some XT60 female and male battery connectors, its the type of connector that comes with the HK Lipos

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...5pcs_bag_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...5pcs_bag_.html

If You Need A Lipo Charger, This is a Nice one

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...cessories.html

you will need a power supply for the charger. or you can convert a old pc computer power supply for a charger power supply for free if you have a old pc laying around.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...cessories.html

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450 motor or similar. at about 1000 to 1200kv

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_1050kv.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...er_1200kv.html

300 Watt motor

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...00kv_300w.html

if hk is sold out, they get the motors in very quickly, get on the email notify list.

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Thank you Chellie, I will take your recommendations under consideration and they are a lot reasonable price wise.
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seeing as many of those parts are from the international warehouse, that apparently.doubles your order.heads up has a 1800 3.cell 30c battery for $1 less, the 450power up sport motor from heads up pulls almost 50more watts for $2 more.

1800mah battery
http://www.headsuphobby.com/111v-180...tery-A-215.htm

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http://www.headsuphobby.com/Power-Up...otor-E-565.htm

30 amp esc with switch mode bec (superior to cheap esc)
http://www.headsuphobby.com/Sky-Powe...-BEC-H-100.htm

9g sub micro servo.
http://www.headsuphobby.com/Power-Up...ervo-H-400.htm
micro servo for a drop in installation if the kit suggest a micro servo. seems like its well within sub micro range for weight.
http://www.headsuphobby.com/iFlight-...ervo-G-535.htm

no soldering, no changing.connectors out, drop in, plug in and play, have it to you in 2-3 days with $2 shipping.
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if you end up tail heavy, might want a bit more overweight.

http://www.headsuphobby.com/Power-Up...otor-E-570.htm

380 watts on 3 cells, and 450 on 4 cells, iron you get the need for speed.
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Is this the midwest electric hots ?

I built the lectric hots from M.A.N. plans which is what the midwest version is based from. If this is the one you have you might find that a .450 might be lacking in power. Mine all up with a 2200 3 cell weights 33oz. Its powered with an os .10 and a castle 54 esc. This provides really good power while not being overly powered, just enough to pull it straight up.

Here is a thread that I had posted concerning power for it, with a crappy video.

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If You Want Tons of Power, use a 480 motor of about 1000kv and a 4 cell lipo with a 40 amp esc. and a 11x5.5 apc prop and you cant go wrong using Heads Up Rc too

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Originally Posted by hayofstacks View Post
if you end up tail heavy, might want a bit more overweight.

http://www.headsuphobby.com/Power-Up...otor-E-570.htm

380 watts on 3 cells, and 450 on 4 cells, iron you get the need for speed.
This is a good suggestion.

When I built mine, being tail heavy was my main concern. 3.6 oz motor and 3 cell worked out great. Didnt have to add any thing additional.

That motor weights the same as os .10 that I used. Its slightly smaller in diameter as the os but slightly longer.
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the 450 sport motor I linked to should pull 37oz of thrust and the 480 about 55 oz. won't be under powered by any means if battery can support it .
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Just read thru all post that posted and to Vicrider yes its the Midwest Hots would be interested in the plans though. Anyway, just finished the servo installation took awhile but doing it right the first time is always the best way. Mine is nose heavy even though the servos are located at the aft part of the wing. Will place whatever battery in the tray made by the bottom sheeting on the wing to hopefully get the balance right, won't know until I get the motor and install it. Used the old esc from my Gamma 370 to set up the servos so they should be close when it comes time to fly it for real. Probaly will get another aries rx so I won't have to swap it back and forth. Thanks all for the advice. Now on to other projects! Stay tuned for further updates.
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The electric hots was desighned by Don Sobbe and he is a friend of mine for many years. He retired from his full time job now and Midwest to but i seen him two years ago at a water funfly meet and he is doing well and still flying. Here is the hots 11 and the hots for hkeelljr also ,the hots 11 was 46 inch wing span and the hots was 48 , enjoy. joe


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Im a real fan of the hots.
My current one is the lectric hots built from model airplane news plans.
I have also had a super hots, also built from plans.
My first hots was the original, built from the midwest kit. I also had the hots 2, also built from the midwest kit.

All were great flyers.
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Im a real fan of the hots.
My current one is the lectric hots built from model airplane news plans.
I have also had a super hots, also built from plans.
My first hots was the original, built from the midwest kit. I also had the hots 2, also built from the midwest kit.

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I had the 60 nitro size one and it few great so i save the electrict hots plan to build some day. joe
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Love the 'electric Hots' - especially the 'throttle', a servo driven on/off slide switch!

Haven't heard of that party trick since my first electric powered model back in 1985!

Wonder if there's a way to fit a topside battery hatch on an E Hots? Don't fancy a lipo buried down there... That aileron servo with bendy 'S' shaped pushrods would be gone too.

Neat model on the whole, though

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Love the 'electric Hots' - especially the 'throttle', a servo driven on/off slide switch!

Haven't heard of that party trick since my first electric powered model back in 1985!

Wonder if there's a way to fit a topside battery hatch on an E Hots? Don't fancy a lipo buried down there... That aileron servo with bendy 'S' shaped pushrods would be gone too.

Neat model on the whole, though

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It would be easy to build with a internal frame for a hatch and i know it would be a piece of cake to do by you Dereck. Here is another plane that started out as the Pizazz but now they call it the hanger-9 twist . Its tiled with alot of pages .lol joe


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Have question on motive power? Will a 480 be better and can it be run on 3 cells without any problems?
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Have question on motive power? Will a 480 be better and can it be run on 3 cells without any problems?
Iam sure others will reply cause iam not good on motor selections but i think its to small for what youi want this plane to do. I know you can run 480 on 3 cells iam doing it on a couple planes .If it weighs 14.5 ounces the 450 would still be good . You want the lightest motor but enough thrust to go vertical . joe
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did you read the thread?

it was spelled out for you by more then one person. people even.talked about weight and cog issues and why they liked which motor.

what do you need to know?
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Have question on motive power? Will a 480 be better and can it be run on 3 cells without any problems?
If its a 480 thats comparable to an eflite .480 I think the plane will be underpowered. The .480 that was suggested in post #6 I think would be great. I think this way cause that motor is more powerfull and heavier then the typical .480. I beleave you are going to have to put lead in the nose to balance it if you use anything lighter. This plane comes from a time when the heavy brushed can motors were used and was designed with the wieght of those motors in mind. Might as well put that wieght in to a more powerfull motor and make that plane fly the way its supposed to. A .450 would make the plane a real pig. All of this is considering that a 3-cell is being used.

There is not much differance between yours and my plan built version. My plan was to use an eflite .480 but with suggestions from this forum and actually putting that motor to the plane it was obvious it wasnt going to be enough. I put an .o.s .10 on it with a 2200 3-cell and it balanced perfect and has good power but I really think the plane could handle a .15 without issue.
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did you read the thread?

it was spelled out for you by more then one person. people even.talked about weight and cog issues and why they liked which motor.

what do you need to know?
A little testy today are we ? I would go with what vicrider recomends he has one and if he says a 480 will fly it but with no fun i would go with a 15 . Its not a trainer and its not a slow stick so lets get some speed. Vicrider knows the plane just dont buy the same bike he rides. lmao They tried Arlen Ness and ended up with a mess. joe


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If its a 480 thats comparable to an eflite .480 I think the plane will be underpowered. The .480 that was suggested in post #6 I think would be great. I think this way cause that motor is more powerfull and heavier then the typical .480. I beleave you are going to have to put lead in the nose to balance it if you use anything lighter. This plane comes from a time when the heavy brushed can motors were used and was designed with the wieght of those motors in mind. Might as well put that wieght in to a more powerfull motor and make that plane fly the way its supposed to. A .450 would make the plane a real pig. All of this is considering that a 3-cell is being used.

There is not much differance between yours and my plan built version. My plan was to use an eflite .480 but with suggestions from this forum and actually putting that motor to the plane it was obvious it wasnt going to be enough. I put an .o.s .10 on it with a 2200 3-cell and it balanced perfect and has good power but I really think the plane could handle a .15 without issue.
HI if using a 3 cell lipo, use a 480 - 1450KV speed motor, it has more KVs and will give you better performance than a 1000kv motor will on 3 cells,

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Have question on motive power? Will a 480 be better and can it be run on 3 cells without any problems?
a 480 is a great power house, and it is a little heavier, thats a good thing, because e power planes tend to come out tail heavy, use a 1450Kv 480 motor on 3 cells, a 1000kv 480 motor will work on 3 cells, but it will be a little on the slow side.
A 480 - 1000kv motor on 4 cells is a Monster I have that set up in a katana, it leaps up off the ground

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Thanks for the replies, but will likely get the 450 for now due to budget constraints.
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