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Old 08-14-2013, 02:56 AM   #1
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Default Please suggest a slow bipe.

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Need a slow flying bipe that is 4ch with Aileron control. Something that can fly as slow as a skyartec Cessna 182.
Scale looks is a plus. Gear for rog is plus too.

Please give me suggestions.
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Hard to beat a Tiger Moth for a beginner level bipe.

The questions I must ask before suggesting a specific one:

Budget?

Do you want kit, ARF or RTF?

How big is your flying site?

Will transport of a 50 inch model that is a bit difficult to assemble and disassemble be an issue? (A good one is going to require a small station wagon or hatchback car for transport... Definitely won't go in a SmartCar )
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If you are looking for a slow 3D biplane, you can not beat a GP Pluma as it has spped brakes that help the plane go very slow and at low throttle power.

Low and slow is the way to go!
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Most Bipes will slow down ... it's inherent in the design of two wings !

WW1 are the slowboys but some are not so easy to handle as they need co-ordinated control input ... and ground looping / tip scraping is common.

Between wars are better and have usually milder manners and usually capable of decent manoeuvres.

The later bipes if we leave out all of the Pitts variety are capable of slow and manoeuvrable performance.

What may surprise is that I would suggest an Ultimate Bipe ... the wings are good lifters without being too thick .. will slow down nicely ... but still capable of just about anything you want to do. Dial down the control responses and you have a good general flyer.

Everyone loves the Tiger Moth ... a classic and well deserved as well.

At end of day - most any Bipe will fit the bill ... if we leave out the Pitts S series planes.

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Default Bi-Plane Variety

Here's a list of Bi-Planes of various designs and are still available through several manufactures:

Ultimate
Pitts
Spad
Nieuport
SE5a
Albatross
Tiger Moth
Stearman

GWS, Parkzone, E-Flight, Great Planes and ArtTech offer some of the most detailed and popular models......Many of the list above are over 38" wing span and weigh-in between 16 to 40oz's when loaded with the proper power systems.......I've been researching this list for some time now.....currently own a GWS Tiger Moth 400 and have flown the SE5a, Stearman, Nieuport and Ultimate (I would be considered an advanced begginer or intermediate pilot by AMA standards)......all can be tamed down with various prop/motor combo's and programmable TX....I'd suggest that all are really not for the beginner, but a pilot with average aileron control experience and ROG tail dragger accomplishment would enjoy any one of them....

Prices for ARF/PNP run anywhere from $65.00 to $250.00......

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Thanks all.
Will give more info. I only fly one or two planes at a time. My other is a t28 durafly Trojan from hk. Use a turnigy 9x receiver for that. I can use the same radio for next plane which is a bipe.

I fly my Trojan in a vacant school ground with rog in paved lot. Will fly bipe in same ground.

Definitely need a 4ch bipe.... that's slow. An arf or bnf. Not in budget since I don't fly too many birds.

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747 ... you said you flew the Skyartec Cessna 182 ... that is not a slow model in fact ... she is quick for her type. She is also extremely manoeuvrable as I know - I flew one for 3 years .. still have it but 3 years has taken toll on the foam.

If you can fly that ... you can fly most sport planes ... now you say you fly a Trojan .. so if you are flying and not crashing - you are not green !

I therefore recc'd a parkflyer size Ultimate or similar ... but please NOT a full blown Pitts ... they are flyers but will bite you if you play just that one bit wrong !

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Personally, I LOVE the GWS Tiger Moth 400. Build it light and it is pretty slow, but still fairly aerobatic.

About $100 to put the whole thing together, so not terribly expensive. Here's mine toodling around:
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Tiger moths are very predictable. I have had them in many sizes and they all flew the same.

Gear just narrow enough to keep you honest about ground handling with a taildragger.
Little to no pitch change with power.
As stable as most 4 channel high wing trainers
Reasonably aerobatic.
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Old 08-15-2013, 04:23 AM   #10
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I might go with a tigermoth. What's ur config and where did u buy it?
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You might like to take a look at this recent thread:

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...t=70970&page=2

Mark and Cooper helped me out on this one!

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That Moth is pretty old. It was my first ever ARF/kit and my 3rd ever plane.

I bought my stuff from the great guys at HeadsUp RC. Here's the setup for that plane:
  • GWS Tiger Moth 400 ARF kit
  • 2410-09Y Brushless Motor
  • 30 Amp EZ Flite ESC
  • 9g TP SG90 Sub Micro Servos
  • GWS 1047 10″ Slow Fly Prop
  • 1300mAh LiPo Batteries

I don't know if you can even find that motor anymore. An equivalent would be a 370-class or 400-class slowfly motor, such as this one, or this one.

If you order from HeadsUp RC (which I heartily recommend), contact them first with any questions. They're always happy to make recommendations which you can actually rely on.

More videos of my GWS TM 400.

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I have a Pico-Moth by GWS. they are a hoot to fly and very docile
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I had really bad luck with my Pico moth. I'm convinced I got a bad batch of foam or something. My experience seems to be the exception, though.

They're not generally a 4-channel plane - no ailerons - though you can mod them. My Pico Moth has ailerons and a number of structural reinforcements, including glassed wings.

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yea, despite the tight space, Ailerons could be done. But I am noticing a shortage of many GWS planes lately. Especially the moth's. doesn't E-Flite make a tiger moth? or is it Hangar 9?
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I know of the E-Flight 20cc, 88" wingspan version that's not a park flyer and the Hanger 9 model which is nearly the same as the E-Flight......very pricey but really quality stuff!

E-Flight makes a Jenny JN4 that is a 250, 32" wingspan....simular to the Tiger Moth...a very good slow flyer. The ARF is 3ch rudder only and is about $60.00......

The GWS Tiger Moth 400, Slow Stick and Pico, along with almost all GWS stuff, have been out of stock at nearly all LHS and most on-line vendors....The word I got from the LHS and BP Hobbies when shopping was that GWS is phasing out several older models and going to introduce a few new product lines.....of which no one seems to have a clue about........Even a call to the US GWS distributor only got me a guy who stated that demand was so high that production could not keep up and the retailers were notified the back orders would be filled by November 2013......we'll see!

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Had mine out last night

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Thanks all. Is there any other company that makes the tigermoth 400.? Maybe I can buy that if it's similar to gws..

Do I have any other choice for a 4ch slow bipe that's park flyable ?

I checked Gp pluma. What are those special brakes that it has that slows it down ? Shall I get that plane. ... it can be rog or hand launched. ..right. ?
If it can really slow down. ..I'm interested.
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Wow. I hadn't realized just how unavailable the GWS moths were becoming.

There are a lot of other Tiger Moths out there, but I don't have any personal experience with them. HobbyKing offers two or three. Dynam makes one.

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I understand the Dynam is a good
Flyer, i just don't trust their electronics.
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747, The brakes act like barn doors and slows the plane in speed. If you have the Real Flight Simulator, the Pluma is one of the planes available. The plane is able to be hand tossed or take off from the floor. Before you order the plane be sure to order the right one as there is an indoor or outdoor version.

I orderd the outdoor model as it also can fly indoors. It has been a blast to fly and many people have went and did a double look at just how slow it can go even when flying at such slow speed. I like it when I fly inverted and people ask why it does not fall out of the sky at such slow speed.

Low and slow is the way to go!
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Originally Posted by JDMJim View Post
I understand the Dynam is a good
Flyer, i just don't trust their electronics.
Hi

I checked them .Dynam tigermoth flies great on that vid in NP site. http://www.nitroplanes.com/60a-dy895...moth-arf.html.
Its 50 " WS. I was looking for around 38". Still very tempted since its a floater and does aerobatics. Will this be a slower plane than the GWS tigermoth400 which is ~38"WS? Will this do ok in parks,school yard etc?

I also saw this in their site the art-tech version, a 4ch and 22" WS one.
http://www.nitroplanes.com/at-21441-...h-rtf-24g.html
Anyone know if this flies good and predictable with its ailerons (not twitchy)?Obviously this is more portable and be flown slower than the 50"WS one.I can keep it in car and fly adhoc as I travel... in school yards and parks ...other lots.

Am I right ? Pls comment ...advise !
thanks all!!
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I'm sure you looked here aleady

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...rch=tiger+moth

Also, check the Parkzone SE5 or Albatross. Some might not agree with me, but I swapped (on the Alby) the stock prop for a 12x6 and left the rest stock. I admit I was not happy with the plane using the supplied 10x8. Too fast for a stall speed for a smooth landing. New prop slows the plane way more and still maintains much better control. The plane flies slower yet is more controlable. And my landings have been alot better now with the ability to fly it slow and scale-like. I am sure this can be done to the SE5 as well. I'd be curious to see how one flies with the same prop I use on the Alby
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The Parkzone SE5 is an amazingly gentle plane and slows down really well, but it's not as floaty as my TM. (I'm currently running a sexy XOAR scimitar prop on mine.)

My only hesitation on the Hobby King Moths is that I haven't flown any of them.

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Albatross is 3ch. Do love the pz se5a.....

Can I learn 3d if I can fly a Trojan easily?
If so I might get the gp pluma and if I could take off and land slowly .... . If with some 3d now and then I'd be content.

Which simulator is cHeap and best to learn pluma? Thanks
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