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Old 12-28-2005, 12:00 AM   #1
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Default Show us your elec conversions.

Let's see those converted kites !!:p

I really like some of the new elec ARFs coming out lately. But I think my favorite kites are the conversions of all shapes and sizes. It's so cool when somebody unloads a standard gas or glow plane like the Patty Wagstaff Extra or Funtana 90 and everyone does that double take when they jump off the runway making zero engine noise. Just the sound of a big prop slicing air and maybe the whine of the brushless motor when throttled back.

I'm still getting a kick outta my GP P-38 Profile . Just the security of not worrying about an engine going out makes the flying even better.
Or my Kamdax Mig-15 conversion. Clean and quiet except for the spinning DF blades.


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Old 12-28-2005, 07:52 AM   #2
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Here's one of my first conversions, back about '99: It's the 80" Graupner kit of the Canadian "Chinook" ultralight. This was way before BL motors and li-po cells. The setup was a Magnetic Mayhem 600 motor, geared 3.5:1, on 10 sub-C nicads, turning a 13x10 APC E prop (at least those were available by then:p ). It flew very much like a full size ultralight - slow take off, slow climb, and slow flying speed - so it looked extremely real in flight. The big prop, just behind the T.E., even sounded somewhat like a Rotax, thanks to the "Zagi" effect of the prop position.


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Old 12-28-2005, 08:42 AM   #3
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I also converted a couple of .40 size ARFs about that time ('98 or '99), by a Chinese co. called Taico Toy, called the U-SKY 40, and the Piper Cherokee. The 1st used a MEC Turbo 10+/6:1 gear/10 nicads, and the 2nd an Astro FAI 15G on 12 to 14 nicads. I have no pics of those 2, but the next couple I converted are shown below; the Hobbico Twinstar, 55", 2xMag. Mayhem geared in series, 20 nicads(heavy!!!), 10x7 props, and the Modeltech bf109E, also 55", MEC Turbo 10+/6:1 gear/10 nicads/11x9 prop. All of these flew as well as glow versions, but for only 6 - 8 min., because of cell capacity limitations (2000mah were the biggest at that time).


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Old 12-28-2005, 02:07 PM   #4
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So far I’ve done these:

Model: Global American Flyer -- conversion
Motor: Aveox 27/26/2
Speed Control: Kontronik 3SLB40-6-12
Cell type/count: 10, 11, 12
Prop/fan: APC“E” 13x10
Reduction method and ratio: 60/: 16 = 3.75, 15 = 4.00, 14 = 4.29
Amps: 33
Watts: 360, 405, 450
RPM: 6.3k+
Weight RTF: 6# +/- 3oz
Comments, etc.:2nd EP, followed Zagi when I re-entered RC 4 years ago after a 15year sabbatical. Lots of winter fun with skis. Here’s a link to a thread that describes an “Economical” power system I’ve used in the old Red White & Blue based on the Trinity Maxx Mild upgrade motor for the Traxxis E-Maxx; all the stuff is normally available at a local hobby shop: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...hreadid=155981 . Originally flown with a Aveox 1114/4Y.


Model: Global FreeStyle -- conversion
Motor: Aveox 27/39/2
Speed Control: Kontronik 3SL70-6-18
Cell type/count: 16xP3000s Zapped in two 8 cell SPTs
Prop/fan: APC“E” 15x10
Reduction method and ratio: MEC SuperBox (60/13 = 4.62)
Amps: 30
Watts: 500
RPM: 5.8k
Weight RTF: 6.5#
Comments, etc.: I fly pattern rather than 3D, though she climbs in an interesting manner ½ loop to ½ outside loop to ½ loop – times two. Originally flown with a MaxCim Y (w/o MaxCim ESC).


Model: H9 Cub (82”) -- conversion
Motor: Aveox 27/39/2
Speed Control: Kontronik 3SL40-6-18
Cell type/count: 16xP3000s Zapped in two 8 cell SPTs
Prop/fan: APC“E” 16x10
Reduction method and ratio: MEC SuperBox (60/12 = 5.00)
Amps: 28
Watts: 500
RPM: 5.4k
Weight RTF: 8#-10oz
Comments, etc.: Well beyond “Cubish” performance; 3+ successive loops QED. Or put around Cub like at 1/3 throttle for 15 minutes. Skis w/snow; floats this summer. Originally flown with a Mega 22/30/3; now have an AXI 4130/16 & 15x8 wood Zinger in it as an outrunner test bed.


Model: ModelTech P-51 w/retracts – Conversion -- http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/123695.asp & http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4788 .
Motor: Aveox 27/39/2
Speed Control: Aveox SH48
Cell type/count: LiPo – TP7800-5S4P & TP4200-5S2P
Prop/fan: APC 4 blader 15x11, trimmed to 12.5
Reduction method and ratio: MEC SuperBox (60/13 = 4.62)
Amps: 33
Watts: 600+
RPM: prop 5.8k
Weight RTF: 7.5#
Comments, etc.: a great and fun to fly warbird, QED conversion! Nothing like flying or watching a Mustang do a strafing run followed by a victory roll (video here: http://rcgroups.com/gallery/showgal...&when=&whenterm ). Originally flew it with 18xP3000 Zapped in MEC SPTs & (60/12); the extra 12oz were not an issue.


Model: World Model .60 ARF – Velox II ( http://www.theworldmodels.com/para/...p?airplaneid=64 )
Motor: Mega AC 22/30/3
Speed Control: Jeti “Advance” 77 Opto
Cell type/count: Zapped Panasonic 3000 NiMh -- 20 (2x10 in MEC SPTs), TP7800-6S4P, & TP8000-6S4P
Prop/fan: APC“E” 16x10
Reduction method and ratio: MEC SuperBox 70/18 = 3.89:1
Amps: 36+
Watts: 850
RPM: 6,600
Weight RTF: 9.75#
Comments, etc.: Excellent Sport Aerobatic and Scale! Flight tests are proceeding well, nearing final CG positioning. Aeros easily on 2/3 to 3/4s throttle. I like its flight characteristics much better than my FreeStyle. Here’s a thread that with additional discussion: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186338 . See my other planes/set-ups above ( http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203529 ) or via my gallery: http://rcgroups.com/gallery/showgal...=500&ppuser=497 .


Model: Carl Goldberg Eagle II ARF
Motor: Jeti Phasor 45-3
Speed Control: Jeti Gold Label 40-3P
Cell type/count: 12xRC2000/P3000
Prop/fan: APC “E” 12x8
Reduction method and ratio: Direct Drive
Amps: 31
Watts: 406
RPM: 7.7k (calc)
Weight RTF: 6#-13oz (6.8#, 109oz)
Comments, etc.: Very nice trainer performance @ ½ to 2/3s throttle, also quite quiet. Loops and rolls easily, take-off roll is comparable to glow. Built by my friend Rick for his entry into RC; motor installation and RTF details by me http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4485 .


Next up is GP AT-6 (.40) again for Rick.


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Old 12-28-2005, 08:13 PM   #5
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Think maybe this should go in the Glow-to-Electric conversions forum? Let me know.

Oh, and to keep this on-topic:
Hangar 9 P-40 Warhawk ARF, 6S Kokam BalancePro HD 3200 pack, AXi 4130/16, Graupner 15x8 prop.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:20 PM   #6
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Think maybe this should go in the Glow-to-Electric conversions forum? Let me know.
I think it should. Thought that's what is was for ?
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I agree that it should go to Conversions. I will leave an redirect here though so others can follow it

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I have converted a couple of small planes many years ago. These are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.

Ace Simple Extra 230 (in ~1996)
Brushed Towerhobbies 540-class car motor
7-cell 1700 mAh battery
Very heavy, very fast and very hairy.
Later I used an Astro 020 and a 7-cell 1200 mAh NiMh pack.

Ace Simple Texan
Don't remember the configuration. Geared Speed 400 I think.

Focke Wulf 190, can't remember manuf.
Astro 020 I think
7-cell 1200 mAh NiMh pack


Recently I have converted:

Seagull 60-size Edge 540
AXI 4130/20 + APCe 17x8
Poly Quest 8S 4000 mAh
Hacker Master 77 Opto
4 kg
Flawed design and heavy construciton, but incredibly strong. Barely fits in my car as you can see.


The World Models Velox Rev II
AXI 4130/24 (rewound) + APCe 20x11
Poly Quest 8S 2500 mAh
Hacker Master Opto
3.59 kg
Nice flyer and light construction. Unlimited vertical. I'm not 100% sure this fits in my car, haven't tried yet.

I'm looking for a big warbird to convert now. Will probably end up getting a KMP or The World Models plane for one of the AXI 4130/20 I have lying around. The KMP warbirds will most definitely not fit in my car.


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Sorry for the mistake.
Keep up the good work

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House of Balsa Decathlon, school yard scale. Hacker 20-20L


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T.T. Fun Tiger 51, Mega 22/20/3, 2.5:1, 12-2000's, 12x6. The tail feathers were taken off a couple of years ago by a Zagi at the NEAT Fair but it's back together and flys just fine.

Kyosho Cosmo, 2xturbo550's right now but will get smaller BL this spring. I'm looking at 400 size DD w/lipo's. This was designed for a .20 fan on its back but it had a pylon and prop drive on it's back when I got it.

Seniorita 3ch used as a test bed for various setups. Started with an OS .25 but has had from a geared 05 to a 1409/2y 3.7:1 and 14-2000's. What a floater!

I had a Sig Clipped Wing Cub, Astro 25G on 18 cells. Flew "heavy" and I sold it to a wet flier.

I am putting together a Modeltech .60 size Mustang. Might use one of my 1409/2y, 3.7:1 and the 15x12 4 blade. We'll see.


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Silverhawk's post reminded me that I've done the TT P51 conversion, along with 2 of my clubmates. In the pic, the near one is Robert's, with a MEC Turbo 10+/10 cell, the centre one, yellow checkered tail, is mine, on Astro FAI 15G/10 cells, and the far one is John's, on a Mega/12 cell setup. All flew very aerobatically, though mine has been eaten by one of our large trees since the photo in '03.

While pulling up that pic, I also came across one of my H9 Cub 80" conversion, at the same fly-in, along with another one by John M., of Pacific Models, similar size, different kit. Mine, with the black wingtips, has an Astro 40G, 20 Sanyo 2600 Nimh cells, and 14x10 prop, IIR, while John's has a large AXI. Both will do 15 min. flights. The H9 seems to handle better on the ground. In '04, my Cub had an in-flight ESC failure, which led to a trail of smoke behind it on approach, and the damage in the pics:


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Hi All! My Avatar is a 1/2 sized "Astro Hog" -sorry no thumbnail, the "size reducer" DooDad keeps rejecting my attempts to downsize! I took the Sig plans to a blueprint shop and had'em reduced to exactly 1/2. Traced the outlines and re-fitted fuselage internals to accomodate electric components. Same wing airfoil, construction, tail construction slighty modified.
W.S -35-1/2"
Lt.- 29.0"
W.A.- 214 sq. in.
RTF- Weight 16.2 oz
Controls- R/E/T/A w/steerable tailwheel
Motor -AXI 2208-26
Prop- 8 x 3.8 APC Sloflyer
Battery-TP 3s 1320 and Kokam 3s 1500
RX -FMA Direct M5
Servos-Hitec HS 55's
ESC- C.C. Thunderbird 18a
Covering- Coverite MicroLite
The little Hog flies great! Also a great nostalgia model for the "returning" R/Cers who are interested in electric.
Also converted a couple of the .020 FF "Old Timer" replicas, I'm using a LensRC outrunner on these.
To Hoppy. how's that Decathalon working out? I have the same kit (in box, 7th box from the top of my stack!) and a Hacker B20 15L sitting around, lonely and unused. What's the RRF weight? Batteries? Did you change to bolt-on wing?
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Hi Ron,
The Decathlon doesn't know it's electric...LOL Flies like a, well, Decathlon, fast and aerobatic, needs room and a long approach compared to the foamies. The AUW is 25.7oz with a 1800mah 3s lipo pack. The kit builds nice and I made no effort to reduce the weight. It has a lot of light ply in it and perhaps 3-5oz could be shaved off if one really tried. The wing is rubber banded on which is not too cool. The firewall was moved to the front so I could mount the outrunner on the backside of it with the shaft going through the fw.

I like your Astro Hog. I'll have to add that to the 'sometime list' which just keeps getting longer.
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Hi Hoppy, thanks for the info. I may move the box up! Always liked that plane, but when I looked at the kit (mail order), as you said, seemed like an overly heavy build, lots of ply. On the "SunBurst" color scheme, nice work! Did you have any problem with air bubbles? I've tried the "windex" or soapy water method but on large double-covers still seem to get some.
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On the overly heavy build, that's good news and bad news. One day I was flying in a brisk wind at a slowish airspeed against the wind...when I turned it downwind, the loss in airspeed put it in a spin and headfirst into the ground. It happened so fast I was stunned. Only broke the firewall loose though....little PU and it was back in the air (with more attention paid to airspeed) The covering is solite and bubbling was not a serious problem (at least to my eyes, others may disagree). It is a scale-like flyer, none of the turn in it's length loops or 1 sec roll rates. Overall, I like it on large fields.
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Brush 400
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Sig Kadet LT 25
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Couple more in the cooker waiting to be converted. A Senior Telemaster and a Thunder Tiger Super Decathalon.
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My latest a SIG Four Star.

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...3&postcount=42

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A different Kyosho Corsair.
AXI 4130/16
CC PH60
6S2P 5200mAh (4 packs PQ 2600mAh)


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Built this plane as an electric. AXI 28/14/10, 8x6 APC E-prop, Kokam 2000mAh 3-cell 15C.
Clocked at 94 m.p.h.


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OV-10: Mega 22/30/3, Duraflite 3S4P (10AH), Phoenix 45, MAS 9x7 Triple (CR)
Twin Star: Fun 600/17, Kokam 3S4P (8AH), Phoenix 60, Graupner 9x7 (CR)
UltraStik: Fun 600/17 w/3.7:1 GB, Kokam 6S1P (3.2AH), Phoenix HV45, Graupner 12x8 Triple.

On the bench: C-160 Transall & EDF F-16 (Kyosho SQ Glow DF conversion), Rascal 40.

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I guess this qualifys as a "conversion". I built a park flyer version of the Sig Senorita from plans called the "Kadetito" which was drawn as a 1/2 glow model, 36in span. Stepped down all the balsa choices by one size (if plans called for 1/8" used 1/16" etc.) converted to tail dragger instead of tricycle gear to save weight, installed eflite park 400 outrunner. All up weight w/o batt is 17oz. Flys for more than 30 minutes on a 3s1p 2100ma LiPoly and 10x7 prop. Has rubberband suspension landing gear. ROG in about 4 feet at half throttle.


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I have an "In Progress" Balsa USA Nieuport 28 1/4 scale set up for a AXI 4130/20 with 24 round cells and a CC controller. Its not quite finished (will be covering and painting very soon)



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SWEET Balsadust!! Show us how it looks when you are done and a flight report please.

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Like the way you've done this. Great idea!!
How does the gear stay stable? Does it simply conform to the fuselage?
Neat plane, good luck!
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