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Old 06-02-2011, 01:12 AM   #1
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Default Escale Waco biplane - a beginners tale

I had a search for this plane and there doesn't seem to be an awful lot posted about it, so I'll give my review of it as a rookie to winged flight.

A little background on me first. I raced 1/10 electric R/C cars for over 10 years before giving it up 6 years ago. I then made my first attempts to get into flight with a Hobbyzone Aerobird. It was no problem to fly, but the weather was rarely calm enough to get any airtime with it.

Then I bought a little helicopter and set about learning that. I was getting on OK, but again it needed very calm weather that I rarely got. It last flew 3 years ago.

Now I want to get back into planes, so after much deliberation I went for the Waco because of some favourable reviews and I just love the look of it It is a similar wingspan to the Aerobird, but heavier, which I felt would allow it to tolerate wind better.

Here is how the plane comes in the box. It is already fitted with all the electrics including a 2.4Ghz radio, Lipo battery and charger.



And after 45mins careful construction, you get this:



It all went together very well, but some of the instructions were not as clear as they could be, so you need to read them twice and then double check where everything goes. As it sits now, I will need to drop the lower wing off again to check the antennas and the servo wiring.

So far I have powered it up and centered the control surfaces, the upper aileron linkages need adjustment to match the lower, and I need to check the CG (adjusted with battery placement in the nose). Once that is done, it will be time for flight testing which is making me nervous. Hopefully one evening this week will let me get it off the ground for the first time.

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Old 06-02-2011, 01:22 AM   #2
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She's a looker for sure. I hope everything goes well.
Question:Is it neccesary for BOTH wings to have ailerons?

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That looks great! Thanks for the show and tell. I'll be watching for your flight review.

Zz, as far as the 4 ailerons, I guess that's how the full scale Waco's were. Some bipe's used them, some didn't. Guess it depends on what the planes were going to be used for and the aerodynamics, etc.
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:40 PM   #4
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A few things happened today.

First I found that the mains adapter for the Lipo charger is dead. No problem, I still have a mains powered 12v source from my racing days. Hooked up the 12v lead to that and problem solved.

SHE FLEW !

There was hardly a breath of wind, absolutely perfect conditions. The range test went fine and taxi testing carried out to see how she rolled. I got to know how soon the tail would start to fly (very quickly) and found she had a tendency to want to go left.

I was really nervous as the car park I was taking off from has a big kerb surrounding it and if I didn't get flying in time I would be sweeping up the remains with a brush. Finally plucked up some courage fired her across the tarmac and up she went. Wow, this is rather more responsive than the aerobird she was rapidly up to altitude and even throttled back to 50% she was motoring along nicely.

Trimming is needed, but the light was too low and I kept losing track of where she was going, so after swerving around the sky for 30 seconds I needed to get her back on the ground. After a less than textbook descent I managed to drop her onto the grass on her wheels.... then she fell over onto her back

But she flew and landed without damage. Success! Once trimmed up she'll be very nice to fly.

Also, this arrived today:


A muvi micro camera, weighs only 40 grams Should be able to mount it in the front cockpit area I think

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Thanks for testing it out.
Now package it up and mail it to me.

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Old 06-04-2011, 12:09 AM   #6
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she's a beauty for sure,glad the maiden went well.

looking foward to the vid's....


oh,almost forgot..........welcome to wattflyer!!!!stu

narrow is the place to land...wide is the space to crash....choose the narrow way!
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Congrats on a successful maiden. Yeah, I know the landing wasn't pretty, but as they say, any landing you can crawl away from....

As far as pulling to the left, I guess you're not familiar with that habit of taildraggers. The torque of the prop pulls it that way, so you have to be ready with right rudder.

I didn't see, where did you get that good looking plane anyways? How big is it?
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Old 06-04-2011, 12:51 AM   #8
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I think it's otherwise known as a Hobby Lobby plane, called Escale in the UK.

It's 39 inch (990mm) wingspan, 29 inches (740mm) long, weighs about 700 grams

Thanks for the rudder tip though, looks like I will get another chance in a couple of days when the wind will be low again. I may even get some video of the flight too

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Old 06-05-2011, 07:52 PM   #9
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I need some advice from you guys on this one. The ailerons, when set to neutral, don't completely line up with the wing surface, they are slightly down. Should I try and get them lined up with the wing or are they OK as they are?

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Old 06-06-2011, 01:06 PM   #10
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Yes, line them up. Any deflection on any surface changes flight characteristics.
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Hi Drifter,

I have one of these Waco's also.

I find it a very enjoyable plane to fly however, mine can be a right handful in anything other than a light breeze.

I also whipped the motor out and fitted a spare that I had on the shelf (A KV1530 Brushless from a Skyartec Cessna 182) and the bipe performs much better now in my opinion and I can also use my 11.1V 1100mah lipos from the Cessna 182 which means I don't need to buy any more for the Waco.

Also I found it very dosile on the alerions so manually adjusted them at the servo connecting rods to increase sensitivity and can now perform rolls with ease. The elevator I found way to twitchy so have reduced throw via my DX6i which has also improved things.

But on the whole I love it having great fun doing touch n goes at my local dissused aerodrome and nice slow fly bys.

Enjoy

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Gads, been looking at that one more than once, likely pull the plug and get it in the future, have had some success with Bipes, they do tend to be sensitive, and response even up and down is quick, usually slight nose heavy suggested on some models. Best luck with a Cox close out, finally had some hard landings in winds, but it flew great, beauty sunburst colors, still miss it.

Hope yours is still flying...
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That is a really nice plane for sure. Might have to shoot a link of that one over to my father. He's hooked on Bipe's and might enjoy this one.

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Old 06-08-2011, 11:50 PM   #14
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It is a nicely put together plane I have to say.

I had a good adjusting session and got the ailerons, elevator and rudder centered much better at zero trim. Here's hoping it flies better next time

I'll also pay much closer attention to the balance, I suspect I was slightly tail heavy on the maiden. I've also taken off the fairings on the landing struts, they are only there for show and are chewing up the foam on landing, so I can do without them.

Next flight as soon as I get a chance

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Old 07-12-2011, 12:45 PM   #15
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I have sad news

I finally got a couple of suitable days and made the 2nd and 3rd flights. About 15mph wind, and the first flight was a bit scary as it didn't want to come down! Managed to soft-crash land in the nearby corn field.

Then the wind dropped a bit, so I sent it up again. This time it was better and I was keeping it where I wanted it to go. Turned onto the upwind leg of the circuit and I ended up in a death spiral into the ground :o

I think I over-banked it or didn't put in up elevator, it tip-stalled and that was it. It is now in several pieces, motor shaft is bent and the wing pylons are all stripped off. Doesn't look good.

So I think I chose the wrong plane really, and I'm looking for it's replacement. I've seen this:
http://rcmodelcentre.co.uk/st-model-...rod_22217.html

Is this going to be more suitable for a beginner? It's a bit heavier, so should be more tolerant of wind, I can use the TX and RX from the Waco and the battery pack is OK, so that can be re-used too.

What do you think?

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Looks much better suited for beginners. Sorry to hear about the Waco.
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It looks like this now:




Video of the crash:
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/Drifter1971/RC%20Flight/?action=view&current=Plane.mp4

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Drifter, when I began about 5 years ago, after last flying in 1958 (!), I made the mistake of trying to "jump" to scale aircraft, or models of some "weight."

May I suggest you learn from my lesson and aircraft graveyard?

Start with a Multiplex Easystar or a Hobbyzone Cub and slowly work your way "up:" while it may be humbling, it will be rewarding in the long term!
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Absolutely. I made a mistake getting the Waco as a first plane and I'm not anxious to repeat that. A easy-to-fly trainer is coming up next. Only when I can fly that without having to think about it can I consider anything else.

The only problem I have here is that a very light/small plane can't be flown unless I have very calm air, which we almost never have So the new plane needs to be able to take some wind otherwise It'll never get flown like my Aerobird.

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I've got the 1/5th scale version of this plane that weighs 14lbs. You are correct, it is not a begginer's style plane. It sure is a pretty one though, and when you have the right skill set it's a great airplane to have.

Good luck on your training, you have the right idea with the right kind of plane now.

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I have one of those from Hobby Lobby. Mine went in and damage was worse than looks in picture. a little epoxy and it can fly again! Save it if you want until skills are better. Welcome and happy flights.
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It might repair. It will need a new motor though. If it does I will keep it until my skill level is worthy of it and try her again

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Mine also bent the motor shaft. No markings on the motor to order shaft, so I replaced it with 2409-12 Tower Pro from Headsuprc.com.
I don't know bout shipping to UK, but Jeff can help you I'm sure. Should be able to find parts somewhere in UK.
http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...tor/Categories

or http://www.hobby-lobby.com/waco_v3_e...34472_prd1.htm
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I have the new ST Models Discovery now

It's very nicely built, a bit bigger and has a few things I didn't expect. First there is a wooden spar bracing the tail of the fuselage, servos are mounted in wood, the wing is in two pieces and joined with a carbon bar then screwed to the fuselage. Easy to remove the main wing for transport.

It is also a toffee bomber That's for the future though. This is a very sturdy plane, really quite impressed with it.

The weather here will be rubbish for the next week, so I have plenty of time to make sure it is set up correctly.

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Is that Waco bi a UK only plane? Trying to find info. Foam I presume.
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