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Old 11-04-2005, 08:32 PM   #1
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Exclamation Combat Wing XE-2 with Mega 16/15/4 & APC "E" 6X4

Hello fans:

I so far have had this Combat Wing XE-2 since February 2005 and been enjoying it very much. During the days of my early R/C flight experience about 3 1/2 years ago flying those small and light weight GWS park Flyers...I really hated these wings as they were very intimidating at best and swore that I would never own one....

As you may know that I live in Central Florida (Orlando, Florida) and it gets pretty windy over here such that all my models just could not take the gusty and windy conditions. One evening I got a call from a good flying buddy who knew a "Brandon" that frequented the open field we hanged out and learned that his Combat Wing was for sale.

That same night I visited Brandon and exchanged a cool $200.US for the Combat Wing with all installed including the receiver less crystal. It came with the Hitec Electron-6 RX, Mega 16/15/4-turn, swinging the APC "E" 6 X 4, Castle Creations PHX-25 and two Hitec HS-81's. The only thing I had to replace and did so under warranty was the Hitec Electron-6 as it became unreliable and created complete mayhem on all control surfaces and motor ran unsolicited. I installed the new one with additional foam on the bottom and top of the cavity where it rides as to maintain the RX from jarring or moving in a hard bounce, landing.

Also, I have replaced the balsa control surfaces as well and carbon arrow spar underneath as it this wing crashed head on into a concrete light pole at 60 MPH! It flew after 10 minutes in obserance of the Li-POLYs to make sure they were not going to through it's cookies.

Here's some pictures of my Combat Wing before major repairs and some pictures of it as it is today. Notice that today I flew with the RED-LINE Li-POLYs (1500mAH, 3S1P, 15C in a parallel configuration for a total of 3,000mAH as it is in a 3S2P setup). The Combat Wing flew in perhaps 8 MPH winds and I was able to fly it for 14 minutes 44 sconds and both 1500's packs measured 11.4 Volts (Post Flight) from a Off-The-Charger 12.54 Volts reading prior to flight.

Another worth while note was using the new Thunder Power "PRO-LITEs" 2100mAH, 3S1P, 15C, Li-POLYs! This pack was topped off using the Great Planes Triton charger at 12.54 Volts and I babied the throttle at less than 1/4 and it flew for 9 minutes 20 sceonds and the PRO-LITEs came out "COLD" and measuring 11.64 Volts!!!! Super Li-POLYs!

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Old 11-04-2005, 08:34 PM   #2
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Here's some pictures of the new PRO-LITES!


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Post Amp Measurements....

Sorry, I forgot...

The Wide Open Amp Measurements that so far has been made on my Combat Wing has been 21 Amps @ Wide Open Throttle and 17,300 RPMs at the propeller using the 2nd generation (10C) Thunder Power 2100mAH, 3S1P, Li-POLYs.

I have not measured the Amp draw using the RED-LINE nor the PRO-LITEs as of yet but, as soon as I do I will post.

Presently, I am still conditioning the PRO-LITEs and taking it easy on the throttle as described above.

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Carlos,

That was an impressive performance today by your combat wing with the ne Pro Lite TP 2100's. It cruised really nice at below 1/2 throttle!!...sorry I had to leave but family called, otherwise I woul've enjoyed the rest of another beautiful flying day at KSC!!.

I'll be ordering two Pro Lites myself...after witnessing today's performance I'm sold!!...

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Gerry,

80% of the flight was at exactly 1/4 throttle and one click up (Hitec Flash 4) enabled this wing to play with the windy conditions as it was blowing at least 8 MPH from the North - North East. Not bad for a 9 + minute flight and only to place less than 700mAH's back in!

Your Park Zone Stryker F-27 with the stock RTF setup (480 - long can 400) would benefit from a parallel setup in the meantime such that you won't have to incurr expense of ordering the newer PRO-LITEs. If you have say, two 2nd generation Thunder Power 2100's you can place em in parallel and never encounter a puffed up cell ever again!

However, the PRO-LITES by Thunder Power are just awesome...it is getting to be like Li-POLYs no longer need to be placed in parallel anymore as higher and higher Amp draw capacities are being reached! Therefore, if you are still interested then, get em from Combat Wings as they are the cheapest!!

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Carlos,

True statement about paralelling. However one of my original 2100 packs was donated to a flier in need so, can't do at this time. Again, for under $70 online I think the PRO LITES are the way to go...oh, imagine paralelling two of those for a whopping 4200 mha, + 60 amps...!!

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Carlos,

True statement about paralelling. However one of my original 2100 packs was donated to a flier in need so, can't do at this time. Again, for under $70 online I think the PRO LITES are the way to go...oh, imagine paralelling two of those for a whopping 4200 mha, + 60 amps...!!

Gerry.
Gerry,

Yes indeed!!! Keep a larger model super light "or" setup a Wing to a Speed Demon for sure!!!

Okay, taking picture of the NEW Wing I acquired from my way back home...Stopped by Mark's house and it was sitting there as he promised last week! Will make a new thread!!! Standby...
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standing by for new thread...

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Flew the combat wing with the new PRO-LITE Thunder Power 2100mAH, 3S1P, (15C), Li-POLYs and can say one word.....WOW!!! They provided a good mix bag of flying ...some super fast passes and mostly combat and duration was 15 minutes!

The Combat Wing became yet another wing altogether! So much so, that I found out a mistake on my part on installing the control rods such that I placed them in the wrong hole on the control horn. The Combat Wing reacts just too slow and I compared it with the Stock Zagi 400 that I acquired last night and certainly those controls are way off.

If appears that when I replaced the balsa control surfaces I did not take account on where they were before I dissassembled them.

Today, I had two mid-air hits with Toby and his Zagi with his custom Outrunner brushless and his model being light hit my Combat Wing with a good force and my Combat Wing was seen to flex in mid-air....we both were about 50 feet up and we shut down the motors and brought the wings level flight and continued the mid-air combat! The other hit was my point as I came from above and hit his left wing and the two wings were seen to tumble out of the sky for a flew feet downwards to earth and then, recovery!

Toby's Zagi needs to be re-taped on it's Right control surface as it is sort of lose.

Super day of flying!

Hope everyone else was able to enjoy such a nice day especially if you live in Central Florida!
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Exclamation Geat Combat Flying at the Club Field!

Well, I am finally using this Combat Wing as the designers intended!

I found an old Zagi Wing assembly with control surfaces, taped up but, without any electronics at a club that I belong....I found it in the trash and picked it up and gave it to a buddy that I fly with....

Well, as you can imagine...he and I have started a Combat Wing Session everytime we meet at the Club and done so, this entire Weekend. Both Saturday and today we have engaged in serious competition (all in fun) and his Zagi and my Combat Wing has entertained many at our club with spectacular Combat Wing flying!

We both have left with an even tie... Two mid-airs on Saturday and two during today's session. Only one time did he nail my Combat Wing hard enough to rip one of the wingletts off and I just called it quits and landed her without trying to fly her in as I did not want to risk any unexpected flying hazard among those there. She gently came down on high patch of grass and two pieces of tape later she was back in the air!!!

I Love these wings!!!

Hope everyone had an enjoyable weekend filled with super flying!
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Carlos,
Once you get those Pro Lites broken in, I think that you will see that they provide significantly more power than the Gen2's. For me, I estimate 20 to 30%!!!
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Exclamation RE: PRO-LITES by Thunder Power

Phillip,

You should have seen that Combat Wing coming downward from an 80 feet climb. Gravity and perhaps a little past 1/2 throttle made that Combat Wing scream downwards at perhaps 70+ MPH and passby at the field at a good rate of speed as I leveled off. (These PRO-LITES are great!)

Of the two "new" PRO-LITEs 2100mAH, 15C, 3S1P, I only have one operational to make sure I treat them nice and easy for the first couple of flights.

For combat, I use those older APOGEE 2480 pack as I really don't need speed but, skill to keep my wing from being hit and the object is to hit the other wing.
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Carlos,
Pro-Lites are the BOMB! Glad to hear that you are breaking them in. I read somewhere, I think it was TP's literature, that if you abuse a new battery on it's first discharge it will never be OK. However, if you "lean" on a well broken in pack, it can take the stress with little or no damage.

It sounds like you are having fun with the combat sessions. Smart move using the 2480 because you don't have much to loose with that battery. As you may recall, every single one of the Blue Jacket flyers cooked those packs with our Strykers while the Gen2 TP 2100's kept going like the the Energizer Bunny!

I've learned not to stockpile more batteries than I actually need because they will probably be outdated before they are worn out. I love technology!
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PS. Great pics from the "Old Days".
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Default Combat Sunday!

The Orlando R/C Associates Club held the yearly pinic and we all had a Blast! The food (BBQ) was fantastic and it felt like a family.

Toby showed up and we gave a demonstration to all with my Combat Wing and Toby's Combat Zagi. We flew for 5 minutes and WAMMM!!! We hit in mid air and I was able to recover and nothing seemed to be damaged so, I continued to fly....

Toby's Zagi with his custom outrunner Brushless had a broken prop and slightly bent control surface and he landed soon after the impact.

I performed victory Rolls the stretch of the field and made super fast passes as well for another 8 minutes. I understand Video was taken and as soon as I am able to find "who" I will post here!!!

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Default Where do you fly in Orlando? I have slinger and

would like to fly somewhere where there are other wings.
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Originally Posted by swansonhomes View Post
would like to fly somewhere where there are other wings.
Please go see my response at:

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/show...1&postcount=37
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Guys and Gals,

Participated at the Electric Fly-IN at Morriston, Florida. This is near Ocala. I had the Flying Bug real bad and socializing was not my strong characteristic today. :o
Last night, I was up performing maintainence on my FAST XE-2 Combat Wing (48 inch EPP Foam) she devil.

The results was beyond expectations as I installed Dubro Servo arm extenders for more kick on the control surfaces. The first flight was planned to be a glide test, to see if my control rods were adaquately adjusted and since she gain altitude while flying level and with smooth characteristics, I THROTTLED UP and...as many of you witnessed she flew for two wonderful flights.


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Default Show Stopper everytime!

Took my She Devil Combat Wing, Mega Powered to the local Club that I belong and it was a big hit there as well.

Everyone came by to ask questions about it after I bround her in for a landing and got out from the Pilots Pitt and performed the best hand catch ever!

I told everyone that I did not want the wing to get dirty from the morning dew.:p

Presently, it is still with the Mega 16/15/4-turn and swinging the APC "E" 6 X 4 propeller with the Pro-Lites, Thunder Power 2100mAH, 3S1P, Li-POLYs.

Fantastic setup!
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Default Flying with 3S2P APEX 2000's cells and onboard Video!

As I wait for my new Thunder Power V-2's 2200mAH 25C Li-POLYs, I have been flying my Combat Wing using two 3-cell, APEX 2000mAH, 12C, Li-POLYs.....or in other words two packs in parallel.

Also, I have been known to fly my Combat wing with additional weight using a Video camcorder by Oregon Scientific ATC-1000 and I am sure the wing tipped the digital scale close to 3lbs.!!

How did it fly?

Fantastic!


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Default 35 MPH winds in Orlando, Florida this past Monday!

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Of course!

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That's great that it's still flying Carlos! 3 lbs!!! WOW!

Take care and thanks for posting at WattFlyer!!

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Originally Posted by Don Sims View Post
That's great that it's still flying Carlos! 3 lbs!!! WOW!

Don,

With just one 3-cell 2000mAH, Li-POLY and the Camera the wing weighs in at 39 3/8oz. but, since I used the 3S2P configuration (Another APEX 3-Cell, 2000mAH, 12C, Li-POLY in parallel with the first) the total weight was

39 3/8 + 5 5/8 = 45 oz.

45 oz. = 2.81 lbs.

Yeap, almost 3lbs.!


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Oh, yeah that Oregon Scientific ATC-1000 tips the digital scale at 4 3/4oz.

Thereby, the empty weight of my Combat wing is:

29 oz. It's all that EPP foam and lead pellets in the nose.
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You should try that motor on 4 cells with a 5.5x4.5 prop.... that thing will scream then!!

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You should try that motor on 4 cells with a 5.5x4.5 prop.... that thing will scream then!!

Laine.

I would need to add a Dimension Engineering SPORTBEC and disable the onboard BEC from my Castle Creations PHX-25 AMP "or" better need to change out the ESC all together and place one of at least 40 AMPs.

Also, decrease the taper on the control surfaces as they will flutter something terrible....

Nope, I am going to stick with the present setup.
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