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Bub Steve 10-20-2008 03:03 AM

am I ask'in to much of this plane? A-10 GWS
 
GWS A-10,,,Theres HUGELY differant opinions on the Brushed-Verses-brushless,:blah: I want one but can't afford another brushless twin set-up :{but have all the stuff for brushed :silly:(And a brushed-lipo/nicad ESC-25;-))and plan to use a 1600 3 cell on her, as those that know me know how Light I build :rolleyes:(24Oz formossa11);) am I ask'in to much of this plane?::o I'd like to order her but I don't want to sink a bundle-o-$ on her to get-her-go'in,:<: thanks ,, ya'll's bub,steve:D
http://www.gwsprops.com/A10.jpg:ws:

The Don 10-20-2008 03:07 AM

I had a very nice flying GWS A-10 it was when they first came out. EDF50 brushed setup with a 7 cell 700 mah NiMh pack. No landing gear. I also flew it on a 2S lipo as well. You needed WOT all the time but it was doable.

Don

CrazyAggie05 10-20-2008 03:13 AM

It is very doable. It is what I will do whenever I get around to building it. There are lots of guys on rcgroups.com using the EDF55 setup with the stock brushed motors running off a 20-25A ESC and a TP 2100 3S.

Bub Steve 10-20-2008 03:30 AM

Thanks guys::I've noticed that most the threads I've read said they were fly'in um at 24-29 Oz But the fly'in weight on the manual says 12.7-14.46oz, have'in said that,,are these guys build'in lead-sleds or is GWS weight est, WAY OFF?bub, steve
http://www.gwsus.com/images/note%20book/a10_01.jpg

CrazyAggie05 10-20-2008 04:02 AM

I think some are building lead sleds because they are putting high power dual ESC setups in there with 3s LiPos. Because of that extra power, they are putting CF all throughout the wings AND fuselage and some have even glassed and painted it. I think if you are going to do it with stock brushed motors and a 3s Lipo you would only need a little CF in the engine nacelle mounts, wings, and fusealge around where the wings mount and thats it. Build her light!

Bub Steve 10-20-2008 04:31 AM

Thanks sooo much to Don and you for help'in me out here
 
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CrazyAggie05::I like um light and always build with less poundage than kit say it'll be, but when I saw dozens of post say'in 24+Oz I thought the 14-17 was a infamous GWS tran's screw-up the manuals are famous for ( I'm sure you've noticed!!) Thanks sooo much to Don and you for help'in me out here as I'm a newbie to EDF models and Love the Wart-Hog!!your bub, steve

CrazyAggie05 10-20-2008 06:34 AM

No problem dude, keep us posted on the build

Crash Test Dummy 10-20-2008 07:20 AM

I'm guilty!! I built a heavy A-10!! I glassed and painted her all up and then to be sure it had enough power I mounted a 480/1020KV outrunner in her butt!! I would suggest putting a CF spar across the entire Horzinal stab in the rear. It is prone to breaking there if you make it a belly lander. If you are running gear you could save the weight and leave it out. The wing saddle is another weak part on the A-10. Some put carbon rods inside the fuse and some will glass just the wingsaddle with 3/4oz. FG cloth and epoxy. Just some thoughts........

The link below is of my A-10, pop some popcorn and enjoy the movie!!:D

http://media.putfile.com/A-10-480-outrunner

CTD

Alpea42 10-20-2008 10:09 AM

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Guys I watched this one fly today but didn't find out what he used for power other than the stock EDFs. It flew but only adaquately no extra thrust. Yours with the 480 as a pusher is way faster C.T.D.

CrazyAggie05 10-20-2008 02:14 PM

Looks like that one has the old 3 blade edf 50s?

fr4nk1yn 10-20-2008 07:20 PM

This is getting me interested in the A-10 again. I passed on it because the guy at the LHS said it would barely fly on the stock setup.

Brushless kits then were expensive but with HC I could pull it off.

ministeve2003 10-20-2008 07:27 PM

actually he said it was stock.. I'm assuming that ment brushed ?... with 2200 3cell pack, and he said it was very stable, just not enough power for him... and I felt it... it was a lead sled... It prob would fly fine on stock bushed, so long as you keep the battery weight down... prob go with 2cell 1000-1300mah pack.... and it should fly great... you could also try the pusher mod... that would prob help alot...

SK


http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/atta...0&d=1224490125

Bub Steve 10-20-2008 07:41 PM

I was go'in brushed with a 1600 3cell, I'm start'in to have 2'nd thoughts here, I just finished another twin with outie's an I just can't $$$ another twin right now but have the brushed lipo-nicad 25amp ESC at the ready and hoped it would do, thanks , bub,steve

ministeve2003 10-20-2008 07:48 PM

to be honest with you, I haven't built one yet, the only referece that I have is other similar size/weight gws kits like the formosa, I use a single 22amp 45gram motor with a 1000mah 3cell pack on the formosa1 and get 2:1 or 3:1 thrust, but I know that with edf's you need twice the power, so I'd assume you could go with brushed motors around 40grams each and that should be ok with 1600 3cell packs... might be a little heavy, but that will be ok, because its not intended for a 3d setup...lol

SK

Bub Steve 10-20-2008 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by ministeve2003 (Post 493051)
to be honest with you, I haven't built one yet, the only referece that I have is other similar size/weight gws kits like the formosa, I use a single 22amp 45gram motor with a 1000mah 3cell pack on the formosa1 and get 2:1 or 3:1 thrust, but I know that with edf's you need twice the power, so I'd assume you could go with brushed motors around 40grams each and that should be ok with 1600 3cell packs... might be a little heavy, but that will be ok, because its not intended for a 3d setup...lol

SK

I'll be happy if it'll ROG and climb out,:ws: bub, steve

Alpea42 10-20-2008 09:48 PM

"Haven't built one yet" HUH Steve? LOL

vax6335 10-21-2008 12:21 AM

Steve I've got one of these stashed under my workbench, I'll be keeping an eye on what you decide to do also. I'd rather not invest a lot in mine either, so I may go with a somewhat stock setup.

Keep in mind, the full scale versions aren't really hot rods either!

Bub Steve 10-21-2008 12:52 AM

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vax6335:A few of the kids in my RC youth club "Mullet Marauders" are egg'in me on two get it( their fly'in 4 Ch this year), I'll go on and order it and do my darn'dis to keep her light by use'in white gorillla glue (weightless when cured)and spilt bamboo, like I do my chuncker builds, Fly'in mullet's have been a problem lately and we in our club strive to keep the sky's over our fare Hamlet, (Shadeville.Fl.)clear of the most vile fish,( unless their smoked with crackers and hot-sauce), And a A10 may help get the low one's dart'in for the coast,,, yet, I degress,,,, thanks , your bub, steve

CrazyAggie05 10-21-2008 01:17 AM

Say what?

Dude quit worrying and build this @#[email protected]# with the stock brushed setup and a TP 2100 3s. It will work! See this below:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834706

Bub Steve 10-21-2008 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyAggie05 (Post 493201)
Say what?

Dude quit worrying and build this @#[email protected]# with the stock brushed setup and a TP 2100 3s. It will work! See this below:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834706

CrazyAggie::Thanks for the Great Link my bub,To some it's a little thing (New Store bought plane) but until quite lately 120$ (by the time she maid'in's ) Been a Butt-Load -0-$$ for me to throw around and be'in my first EDF after 40+ years of model'in I need some guide'in from my bub's here, If you look at what I've been build'in the last few years (cheap-chunckers)you'd understand my be'in a might giddie about a Real-Plane, your bub, steve

Alpea42 10-21-2008 03:19 AM

I like your "cheap chunkers " Steve. The A-10 might be a little too advanced for the young pilots of The Mullet Marauder Club. But if they want to watch you fly it then Go For It.

Bub Steve 10-21-2008 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Alpea42 (Post 493278)
I like your "cheap chunkers " Steve. The A-10 might be a little too advanced for the young pilots of The Mullet Marauder Club. But if they want to watch you fly it then Go For It.


Alpea42::I've had 11-12 year olds in the club who make my heart nearly stop with their fly'in antic's!! bub, steve

CrazyAggie05 10-21-2008 03:52 AM

Haha looks like ya'll are having fun! I am diggin the Franken-planes especiall the yogurt cup cowlings. Thats pretty inventinve! You should enter in the scarp built planes contest over on rcgroups.com.

Bub Steve 10-21-2008 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyAggie05 (Post 493319)
Haha looks like ya'll are having fun! I am diggin the Franken-planes especiall the yogurt cup cowlings. Thats pretty inventinve! You should enter in the scarp built planes contest over on rcgroups.com.

They ran my ass-off years ago!! HaHaaa!! bub, steve

Alpea42 10-21-2008 05:21 PM

My 10 year old rebuilds crashed planes. And when he got ready for his 1st solo flight he insisted on takin up a rebuilt Stryker. LOL And got it up and down successfully. Now I don't even stand near him when he flys and Chellie said last Sun. as we watched him fly that he was becoming a really good R/C pilot.


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