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Old 01-09-2017, 01:45 PM
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Found the 2826 2200 motor too long once prop fitted so thinking about this little motor :

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/2205-235...-mongoose.html



Specs:
KV(RPM/V): 2350kv
Lipo cells:3-4S
Max Power:420W
No Load Current: 0.6A/10V
Internal Resistance:0.077ohm
Number of Poles:12N/14P
Dimensions: 22 x 5mm
Motor Shaft:3mm
Prop shaft: 5mm
Weight: 30g

Slimmer ... has more power ... rated for 6" props ....

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Old 01-27-2017, 07:37 PM
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OK .. with 15gr similar position to Hawks 'penny' ... I have CoG basically in line with the front curve of the CF rod.

Lets see what she does ...

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Old 01-27-2017, 08:02 PM
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Sounds like a winner to me. Mine flies on rails but is not as radical in maneuverability as my F-22's. I like it. Great value. I like your motor. My Grayson V-2 has seen her better days.

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Old 01-27-2017, 08:08 PM
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I did have elevons half broken away in the box - so taped those ...

I may change to mylar tape if she's a bit iffy on test ...

Tmrw looks like it may be ok for maiden. I have a 2250 Rhino and a 2200 Turnigy blue to try in her.

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Old 01-28-2017, 05:35 PM
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I really feel stupid !!!

Powered up .. test motor ... feels good. Pal launches her for me ... not enough throttle and she grounds out.
Pick her up ... give her full throttle .... away she goes .... what a rollercoaster ride ... she's all over the shop .... full left trim ... still she's creaming of to the right ... she's so stable in pitch - its obvious she's way too forward on CoG ...
Speed ? I can run faster !! Honest - its all throttle and no go !!

I finally land out and think about what to do ...

I have 15gr up front of wheel balance stock on weights. I peel of one and stick it at back of that big square box on left side to try and counter that right bank. I remove another lead weight - so only 5gr left up there.
I move ESC back behind the battery .... and that's my mistake !!

So new 2200 Turnigy Blue in .... test - OK.

Pal gets ready to launch ... give her another throttle test and prop nut comes loose. back to van and tighten ...
Go to launch again ... this time she pulls away flat but after a few feet motor stops with a CLACK !

When I moved the ESC I didn't tack down the wires and the prop sliced one ...

So took her home in one piece but sort out the wire.

Second mistake !! When I get her home - I take motor of to do the wire. Funny I think ... I could have sworn I fitted a 6x4 prop ... mmmmmm its a 4.5 x 4.5 !!

No wonder it was so slow !! Now she has a 5.5 x 5.5 racing prop on and thrust is WOW !

Wire mended ... ready to go ... all wires tacked and out of way ... etc.

Just have to wait for next session.

I have to say though - she does look good in the air.

Video to follow ...

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Old 01-29-2017, 12:11 PM
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Sorry about the poor framing .... still waiting my ******* Soloshot 3 !!

And those pesky adverts are back again !!

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Old 01-30-2017, 02:47 PM
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WOW .... I just gave this 3 flights after a bit of modification from maiden ...

This thing just wants to fly !

I moved stock ESC to front of battery, 4ch FrSky Rx alongside battery but taped to lower fuselage part, removed 10gr up front leaving 5gr ... put 5gr at back ... reckon I can remove both ! as they basically even each other out unless I move to one side to try and correct the massive aileron trim needed !

Fitted a 5.5 x 5.5 APC racing prop on the 2350kv motor.

I honestly don't know why anyone wants it to fly faster ... this thing does the works ... it really lives up to the Mig 29 heritage ... slow - the alpha you can get is phenomenal ... without adding anything to the elevons.
Roll rate is slow - yes ... and she rolls faster to right than left - but that can be sorted by giving it more on left DR ..

Hand launching ? This thing just flys out of hand ... it only needs a left hand throw at about 30deg up straight ahead with near full throttle and she just claws her way through !!

I love it !! (Luckily I traced all parts onto Depron sheet before construction - so I can make as many as I like !!).

The motor - is spot on I reckon ... she hums !!

Do you get impression I like it ? lol !!

Videos to follow ...

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Old 01-30-2017, 06:35 PM
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Here she is ....



Just tested the CoG point and its just in the front half of the fin lugs set into the wing ... photo shows toothpick pointing at CoG ...
I actually removed all lead now ... and she balances same point.

2200 LiPo pushed all way forward ...

This will make a good adversary for my 'RAF' Polaris !! for shows ...

I have the Eurofighter plans in same config ... so maybe that's next ?

Wonder when HK will be expanding the line-up ? If the Extra flies anywhere as good as the MIG ... its worth it !
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Old 01-31-2017, 10:15 AM
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OK here's some photos taken ....

Placement of the 2200 LiPo as far forward in the box as possible ...



Cocktail stick pointing at CoG position :



View inside box trying to show items :



Finally ... massive trim adjustment !! Trying to understand why because its opposite to torque expected ...



Hope this helps anyone.

But its a great flyer ...

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Old 01-31-2017, 05:29 PM
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Glad you like it. I have fun on windy days . Bring it about 30 meters and park it against the wind. Now that's slow. It is a great warm up plane. Gets the juices flowing before taking up the Yak-130 or Mig-21 Edf's.

Not sure she'll compete very well in combat sessions against my F-22 buddies. Might have to mount toothpicks around leading edges and nose for armament. Kind of a Roman Chariot thing. Lol.

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Old 01-31-2017, 05:55 PM
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Its amazing .... today put another couple of 22's through her .... this wants to FLY !!

Video uploading now ...

I traced out each piece onto Depron ready to crack out another if necessary ... to be honest I may just do it to create a pal for it !!

That motor I chose - was very tongue in cheek - but works great. Its lighter than the 2826 2200 usual motor ... but honest puts out the thrust.

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Old 01-31-2017, 06:48 PM
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This is too much fun !!

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Old 02-04-2017, 05:22 PM
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Loving it !! Had to swap radios today due to flat battery ....



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Old 02-07-2017, 06:03 PM
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I picked up a couple of these, it took about two hours to build. I'm powering it with:

D2826-6 2200kv Outrunner Motor

Specs:
Rpm/V: 2200kv
Shaft: 3.17mm
Voltage: 2S~3S (7.4v to 11.1v)
Weight: 50g
Watts: 342w
Max Current: 34A
ESC: 40A
Suggested Prop: 7x4(2S) ~ 5x5 (3S)
Mounting Hole Bolt Circle: 16mm or 19mm

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/d2826-6-...ner-motor.html

I'm going to test fly it when it quits raining. I put some large control horns on it as landing gear, it looks like it will be able to ROG.

The next one I would move the motor mount forward by 3/8" (10mm).

I used hot melt glue to assemble it, but used HK foam safe glue to strengthen the elveron hinges.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:13 PM
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Rich,

Welcome to this exclusive club - LOL

I had to add weight to the front to get mine to balance. ~ 10-11g right at the bottom of the ramp. Otherwise, it was way tail heavy out of the box. A bronkin' buck to say the least.

The other thing that thing that comes to mind is that she doesn't perform fast axial rolls very well unlike some of the other 'prop in the slot' foamies I've built. Slow rolls okay. Loops good. Flips good. Could cut out ailerons and couple ailerons to elevons. Or I might just try increasing the throws on the elevons. Might be able to keep up in combat ops with our Dollar Tree F-22 crowd.

Hope they come out with some more of these prop jets. At ~ USD $22.00 , hard to beat. I'm using the Grayson V2, similar to your Turnigy.
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Old 02-07-2017, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dahawk View Post
Rich,

I had to add weight to the front to get mine to balance. ~ 10-11g right at the bottom of the ramp. Otherwise, it was way tail heavy out of the box. A bronkin' buck to say the least.
I saw that was a problem so I cut out a notch for the battery to nestle in.

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Old 02-08-2017, 04:53 AM
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The weight is needed when you use the heavier 2826 motor. The motor I linked to earlier is lighter and allows you to setup without adding weight. Even though lighter - its power output is higher than the 2826 motor.

I use a 2200 3S 30C battery pushed up against that vertical pillar.

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Old 02-08-2017, 07:31 AM
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Thumbs up Cut the vertical pillar.

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The weight is needed when you use the heavier 2826 motor. The motor I linked to earlier is lighter and allows you to setup without adding weight. Even though lighter - its power output is higher than the 2826 motor.

I use a 2200 3S 30C battery pushed up against that vertical pillar.

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Your motor cost 50% more, that's really irrelevant to me, but not to some, my choice was driven by having a half dozen of the 2826 motors on hand.

If you cut the vertical pillar like I did, it balances without any additional weight.
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Old 02-08-2017, 06:49 PM
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The pillar the battery butts up against is there for two reasons ... just saying :

To stop the battery shooting forward in landing and also to provide support for the 'bottom tray' ..... personally I would be reluctant to cut into that pillar.

I looked around for a slimmer motor but with good KV and Watts ... I didn't want to cut the model to move the motor forward ... trying to keep to what was supplied in box.
The 'Mongoose' motor fits the bill ... Price ? Performance ? I'm happy with it on a 5.5 x 5.5E prop ....

I also have a number 2826's spare ... I have them as my usual motor for Polaris and others .... excellent all rounder I readily admit.

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I am using a Grayson V2 which is essentially a Wemo. Used them several times in Dollar Tree F-22's. 2200-06 I believe.

Flew mine yesterday in 10 knot winds. Love parking it into the wind and hovering at a standstill. She really does flips well. Now I just need to up the the elevon throws a little to make her roll faster.

Cmon HK, bring us some more of these little gems!

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Old 02-09-2017, 02:22 AM
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I flew mine today. This thing NEEDS ailerons, rolls are way too slow. I may make the area behind the CF spar ailerons, keeping the elveron servos where they are, making them aileron servos, then add a elevator servo after locking the elverons together. I do like the high alfa with these types of planes, (Gen 3,4,5 fighters).
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:13 AM
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Thanks for confirming the slow roll rate. Wanted to make sure it wasn't just me. I think the tall Vstabs might have something to do with this. My 80mm FW Mig-21 spins like a pencil. Coupling the elevators to ailerons will be the ultimate solution.
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Old 02-09-2017, 08:56 AM
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All that's needed is similar to my F15 ... just run a second rod from the servos to ailerons.

Make both ailerons and elevators into elevons .... because both sets are well behind the CoG ....

I am also considering to activate the rudders to give stability in high alpha....... and harrier landings.

As Hawk - I LOVE this baby !!

I understand its RCPower's based ... and I have their Eurofighter .... hope to put together an opponent model !!

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Old 02-09-2017, 04:09 PM
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Could get one of these too !

http://www.scaleflying.com/MIG-29-Co...ar_p_2411.html
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Originally Posted by dahawk View Post

mmmmm but it is Styrofoam so would not survive long if a bit heavy on landing etc.

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