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Old 01-12-2019, 09:16 PM
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They tried identical cars in the GP Masters ... ended up with Mansell winning every race. Died a death because it created even worse procession round the track. It was nice to see old F1 tracks brought back to life for it though.

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I see Nigel Mansell won in 2005 and Eddie Cheever in 2006. This is the first I've heard of the series. Must not have had much coverage in the USA before it went bankrupt. Even in USA open wheel after leaving F1 Mansell was loved.

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Red Bull does not build street cars but they do sell tons of caffeine.
Yep! I worked on the Arizona State University Tempe campus for over 5 years night shift. They have a Mini Cooper convertible that they drive around at night with scantily clad hot girls handing out iced "crack cocaine in a can" to anyone that will take it. You should have seen the sour looks on their faces when I would say no thank you....

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I just don't get the addiction to the Red Bulls and the 5 Hour Energy drinks. I see a lot of kids drinking them and that does not seem like a really good idea. Then there is the high caffeine coffee stuff, whatever that is. I don't drink coffee so I don't know much about Lattes and Mochachacinos or whatever they are, but I am guessing they are high power with caffeine. I do get my caffeine from a Diet Coke or two each day and from iced tea, but that is the limit.

And back to racing. I am looking forward to all the racing seasons starting soon.
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I just don't get the addiction to the Red Bulls and the 5 Hour Energy drinks. I see a lot of kids drinking them and that does not seem like a really good idea. Then there is the high caffeine coffee stuff, whatever that is. I don't drink coffee so I don't know much about Lattes and Mochachacinos or whatever they are, but I am guessing they are high power with caffeine. I do get my caffeine from a Diet Coke or two each day and from iced tea, but that is the limit.

And back to racing. I am looking forward to all the racing seasons starting soon.
Pal of mine does a lot of driving from Latvia to Germany etc. - and he USED to drink Red Bull to keep him going ... he ended up in Hospital with heart palpitations ... doctors reckoned the amount he was drinking was 'banging away' at his heart.
He has had a mild heart attack since and is now on a strict regime with Red Bull and the copies ... Monster Drink ... etc. banned ...

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Pal of mine does a lot of driving from Latvia to Germany etc. - and he USED to drink Red Bull to keep him going ... he ended up in Hospital with heart palpitations ... doctors reckoned the amount he was drinking was 'banging away' at his heart.
He has had a mild heart attack since and is now on a strict regime with Red Bull and the copies ... Monster Drink ... etc. banned ...

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That is similar to what I have heard about the "energy drinks". They cannot be good for you although we do lots of things that are not good for us.
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That is similar to what I have heard about the "energy drinks". They cannot be good for you although we do lots of things that are not good for us.
I used to work with a guy 6 years ago that always walked around with an "energy drink" in each hand. Two different brands and I don't remember which. I'll try to dig up a picture of him with the two culprits in his hands. After surgery to remove kidney stones too large to pass caused by these "energy drinks" he finally dropped them and kept to drinking plain water. I talked to him last week. Still drinking water and ZERO energy drinks anymore. No further problems....

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I used to be a huge NASCAR fan growing before it was on TV. Would sit out in my dads garage and listen on the radio almost every weekend. It was so exciting back then. Then the early days of ESPN coverage from the real tracks like Rockingham, North Wilksboro, Nashville Fairgrounds and such were great.

Move forward to the present day and I have no interest in spinning billboards and human interest stories. the things they have done to it have killed it. That is very evident by the empty stands at most event nowadays. sad

Can't say that I watch any of them any longer. just not into it anymore.
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I can see where you are coming from, Bill, but it is still big motors, high speeds and racing between great drivers. NASCAR is one of the greatest series in close relationships with the fans. They realize where their support comes from.

The problem with the dropping attendance, I believe, it the current obsession with social media and short attention spans of the younger generations. It seems that anything that lasts over fifteen minutes cannot hold their attention and if they cannot watch it on their iphone, it is not worth watching.

The human interest stories are optional. Just watch the race coverage during the actual race. I personally enjoy knowing more about the drivers. It humanizes them. Dale Earnhardt was always just the Intimidator, but he was a real person behind that tag. However, we never got to know him until after he was gone.

Plus, I like the low tech of Cup cars. Remember we are just a few years past carburetors.
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For all the moans about F1 ... it does actually lead to developments on normal road cars. Bit like Space Exploration and NASA / COSMO programs .. where items such as pump pens, velcro etc. get into ordinary lives.

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Old 01-18-2019, 03:27 AM
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I am not sure how much F1 adds to road cars. I have not seen too many road cars with pneumatic valve trains that rev to13,000 rpm. I think F1 is a bit too exotic to reach the real world anytime soon.

You are correct in that the space program has added to useful products. I am allergic to poison ivy and I use a product called Tecnu that cleans off the urushiol oils that cause me to break out. Tecnu was developed to clean the space shuttle before the heat resistant tiles were glued to the surface.

It will be interesting to see how this season goes for F1 and all the other racing series, starting with the Chili Bowl going on just now in Tulsa and then the 24 hour race at Daytona next month.
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KERS and Hybrid cars have a common road ... they may have different intentions ... KERS to increase power to overtake ... Hybrid to reduce fuel consumption ... but they have crossed over to provide development.

Tyre technology - why would a manufacturer of Tyres waste so much time providing to F1 ? The extremes the tyres are subjected to is then useful for development of tread and construction patterns for the changing world of road users.

They are just two examples.

On the subject of high RPM and Valves ... my 3ltr Twin Ram 24V had hydraulic valve system which owed a lot to earlier F1 use. Look at many of todays high performance road cars and see what RPM and systems they use.

Sadly the days of road side repair with hammer and pliers has long gone !!

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OMG! it's late Thursday night and I'm reduced to watching NASCAR qualifying for some race. I think it's Daytona. I hate redneck roundup racing but at least I don't have to wait another month for the pampered F1 drivers to peel off their baby seal fur coats so they don't get a chill as they are escorted to their brand new multi million dollar race cars. Better give Hamilton a long sip of Perrier from a champagne flute so he isn't even slightly dehydrated before he climbs into his form fitting body fit mechanical extension. 2019 will either be the year that I become a stronger F1 fan or the year I say goodbye to a bunch of pampered F1 "pu$$ies". Hey, maybe I get to root for a better series such as F2 or Indycar with its wheel to wheel racing that F1 simply can't emulate. . Too bad Nico retired from F1. He was the only one to upset the Hamilton apple cart in MANY years!!! I now have to pick a new "hero" and I'm looking at MAD Max for F1.

Myself and my lady were HUGE CART/Indycar fans way back in the day of Al Unser jr. I was lately a Robert Wickens fan until his injuries. The guy was AMAZING! Hopefully he can race again soon.

Lots of Aussie/British sedan class racing televised that is far and away more exciting than the boring F1 freight train. Even the Formula E series has closer racing though it is missing the noise. Formula One had better get its act together soon or it will become a "who were they" series.

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Old 03-10-2019, 09:23 PM
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Anyone watching Indycar from St.Pete today? Wickens has always been amazing. Sure miss him this season. Hope he can push hard for recovery and can make it back into a drive seat soon!
I'll give F1 3 or 4 races this season. If it's the same old crap all over again with Mercedes/Hamilton then why bother watching/supporting. With Indycar, Formula E and so many other series that are so much more enjoyable to watch why bother? If F1 doesn't make serious competitive changes the series will eventually become moot....

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I did not get to watch the Indy Car race but I agree with you on F1. I used to watch all the F1 races years ago, but then all I needed to know who would win to know who was on the pole. Not very interesting. I did watch the Cup race at Phoenix and it was a decent race. I cannot get ready for Formula E where you change cars midrace in order to have a race. Race cars should be loud and obnoxious, but then I am a noise junkie. That could be why I like 11,000 HP drag cars. Just lots of hand grenades going off in quick succession.
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Formula E has made major changes and last season ended the car swaps mid race. Yeah it sucks that there is a lack of noise but the racing is so close it makes up for the quiet. NASCAR and even Indycar OVAL racing is still a hard pill for me to swallow. Watching the weeds grow in the back yard is more exciting. When they're on a road/street course I'm glued to the screen though. NHRA! Oh yeah! Been a fan forever. In what other sport can you get so up close and personal with the drivers like you can in NHRA? Living in SoCal in the 70's up to 2002 meant going to some of the best tracks in the country (before they were bulldozed to erect breweries or condos) I miss OCIR the most! I got to sit and b.s. with so many legends of the sport. So cool that they're just normal people like us. I made dozens of passes at OCIR in my '72 Gremlin while in the Navy stationed at El Toro MCAS for advanced jet training and literally hundreds of passes at Carlsbad Raceway in various cars. That dead stock 6 cylinder Gremlin was a wild ride at OCIR with a best ET of 18.49 at 74.68mph!!! LOL. Good times..... Many faster cars came after that.

If the Mercedes/Hamilton juggernaut continues this year I'm completely done with F1. It has become a joke of epic proportions.

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I know what you mean about getting to meet the drivers.

I went to the 1989 Long Beach Grand Prix and since I knew a driver, Ken Minyard, in the Pro-Celebrity race, I got to go into the Toyota compound before and after the race. Some of the celebrity drivers were Jay Leno, Walter Payton, Danny Glover, Ricky Schroder and Kelsey Grammer. The pro drivers included a little know driver, Dan Gurney (just kiddin) as well as Parnelli Jones and his son PJ Jones, Jr. and Jeff Andretti, Mario's youngest son.

I got to meet and visit with all of them as well as eat lunch with them after the race. I don't guess I have ever been around such a group of world class drivers and celebrities before or since.

Ricky Schroder actually won the race since they made the pro drivers start a half lap behind the celebrities.

Before that I was able to go to the training class for Ken at The Streets of Willow Creek Raceway and got to ride along for some laps in the Toyota Celica GT-S. Strangely enough, even though they were stock, other than safety equipment, they were pretty fast and stopped very well. In fact the driver hit the brakes long after I thought we were going to never be able to slow for a tight corner at the end of the front straight. That was my first experience in a car on a track. It was great. It created a monster.




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Default Deja Vu all over again........

I've been a HUGE Al Unser jr. fan forever. Got a chance to go to the Long Beach GP in 1995 as my brother in law lived just off Shoreline Drive and got free tickets (or many other free options because of noise). My (now ex-wife) had a rubber stamp convention going on there at the same time. I HAD to help her and could actually hear the cars on the track from where we were but had to watch the race on a 2.5" screen remote TV that my bro in law had. To this day I haven't forgiven my ex and it could very well have been the start of what eventually became our divorce.... That was the last Long Beach win for little Al!. Long live the Emperor of Long Beach!!! I was actually there AND I FREAKING MISSED IT!! ARGH!!!!!!!!!!

I just watched the F1 FP1 and FP2 practice sessions from Albert Park. It's pretty obvious Mercedes have been sand bagging yet again this year. I can only laugh at all the B.S posts saying that they are on the back foot etc. We've heard that garbage year after year from them. F1 is no longer a series. It's nothing more than a "see how much we can spend to buy a win" series.

Here's what I'd love to see..... All teams from 7th place on down (excluding Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull) splinter off from FIA and F1 to form a new series. If they don't and it becomes the same old, same old, same old, same old series every year then why bother watching? Good luck holding on to a viewing audience. After the first test session they should award championship series winning positions to the leading driver and manufacturer. Get it over with quickly so we don't have to watch the same old thing over and over again.for the rest of the year. YAWN........

And the Brits (on the F1 forums) continually talk crap about the Indycar series........

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I used to never miss a F1 race but I stopped watching years ago, because of the reasons you stated. No driver is worth 30 to 40 million per year or whatever the top level drivers are being paid. They do nothing to support their series, no contact with fans unless you are somebody really important with a ship load on money. They want to be treated as rock stars. I don't think my not watching the races makes any difference, but I feel better.
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Netflix Formula One: Drive to survive. If you are a racing fan and don't have Netflix you should get it just for this series! I now see lately why so many people are thoroughly disgusted with Mercedes and Ferrari for not participating. I love the behind the scenes coverage that we never see in the antiseptic world of TV race coverage. Being an American I'm now an even bigger fan of the Haas F1 team even though the only American on the team that I know of is Gene Haas. Gunther Steiner is one hard ass S.O.B. and I think I'd absolutely LOVE to work for him! Will they ever be world champions? Without a LOT of financial infusion NO. Are they podium potential? I think so. Maybe even this year if everything goes just right. A podium at C.O.T.A. would be amazing!

It's a shame that F1 has gotten so rules/PC/money controlled as it has. Whatever happened to the days of James Hunt, Nikki Lauda, Senna, etc.etc.etc.etc.etc. that just jumped into a garage built car and either won or died in a race? I would hope nobody wants to see a fatal F1 race but unfortunately it used to happen regularly and the drivers expected the possible outcome. I'd just like to see REAL drivers getting into the cars with NO pit radio or engineer input and have to simply drive the car that was put under them. Kinda like when I tried to race karts on a budget. (Boy was THAT a miserable budget related failure!)

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I know my posts kinda sound like I HATE Formula One but I honestly don't. Like so many others I'd just like to see a change in the current F1 series points hierarchy. I honestly don't care how fast any manufacturer car is. I only care about the driver in a car that may or may NOT be the fastest. Unfortunately there are so many drivers that will never see their full F1 potential because the cars they drive are not competitive. For those drivers it must feel like an impossible task. I feel for them, I really do.

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I used to never miss a F1 race but I stopped watching years ago, because of the reasons you stated. No driver is worth 30 to 40 million per year or whatever the top level drivers are being paid. They do nothing to support their series, no contact with fans unless you are somebody really important with a ship load on money. They want to be treated as rock stars. I don't think my not watching the races makes any difference, but I feel better.
OMG! Never EVER post those feelings on one of the many F1 websites!! To post the heresy that you did will get you beaten mercilessly and will prove you are not of UK decent! Lewis Hamilton is the undisputed king of the world to them (U.K.)...

I'll give F1 a few races in 2019. If it becomes the smelly turd it was last year then they have lost yet another viewer. While I'm only one, just how many feel the same way I do..............

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I know my posts kinda sound like I HATE Formula One but I honestly don't. Like so many others I'd just like to see a change in the current F1 series points hierarchy. I honestly don't care how fast any manufacturer car is. I only care about the driver in a car that may or may NOT be the fastest. Unfortunately there are so many drivers that will never see their full F1 potential because the cars they drive are not competitive. For those drivers it must feel like an impossible task. I feel for them, I really do.

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Fernando Alonso. 'nuff said!

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I watched F1 qualifying this morning. Just as I suspected. Hamilton/Bottas/Mercedes 1 and 2. (nah, they never sandbag...) My daughter was here this afternoon and had to listen to me go on and on and on about the financial inequality in F1 hampering drivers/teams progress. She finally stopped me and said, Dad, you're too old to let this affect you this way. If F1 upsets you so much and raises your blood pressure to the moon why do you even watch it? I just didn't have an answer. I don't know why this series keeps me involved. Hamilton/Mercedes will likely win tomorrow and myself and many others will be totally disgusted. I won't really care how far ahead Mercedes finishes 1 and 2. I'll be watching the likes of Raikkonen, Ricciardo and Magnussen to see how they finish. Those will be some of the drivers that have to actually WORK for their finishing positions and not have it handed to them with a car that just about any F1 driver could perform in. I'm getting out of hand again so will stop. Maybe I shouldn't even watch the race tomorrow.....

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I think saying that "not have it handed to them with a car that just about any F1 driver could perform in." is a bit unfair to the talent of Hamilton and Bottas.
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I think saying that "not have it handed to them with a car that just about any F1 driver could perform in." is a bit unfair to the talent of Hamilton and Bottas.
I don't think anyone questions the talent of the Mercedes drivers but when Bottas puts a 21 second gap to second place Hamilton that's not all talent. That's the car. Hamilton was obviously struggling with his tires and given a few more laps Max would have overtaken him. There still would have been a 20+ second gap.

I still maintain that ANY driver in yesterdays field could have won in Bottas' car with the performance it had. I see reporters are already starting to say how boring this year looks to be if Mercedes dominates again. Even Bernie, Ross Brawn etc are saying the continual domination is bad for the sport.

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