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Old 08-15-2008, 11:18 PM
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Hi all,

I'd really like to learn 3D flying and im looking at buying combos and electronic setups for 10oz maybe up to 16oz 3D foamies. Im looking for a 200w/lb kinda setup somewhere close to that where i can hover at less than half throttle and have deccent 10-15min flights on small 2-3cell 700-1000mah 20c packs.

Im just finding some stuff right now:

Battery 2c 7.4volt 1050mah rhino battery could be good for swining a bigger prop?
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=7307

3c 750mah
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=7292

motors? Ecs? im thinking i should get at least a 20-25amp esc im trying to buy at least one complete set of electronics for a decent price for a decent 3D plane.

like 3 servos, 1 esc, 1 outrunner, 1 battery.

thanks!
if you have had any setups that worked well please post em!
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You know what Blake and I will say for 10oz foamies:
Well for ANY small electric plane (foamie or not) between 6-10 oz.

MicroDan 2505 (3d)
Castle Creations Pheonix 10
Fusion Power 11.1(3cell) 600mah 25c packs or TP 730 3s here's video of the Clik-X with the aforementioned setup-not lacking in power!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRDka313Bwg[/media]
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Old 08-17-2008, 05:39 PM
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Oh man thats great! any chance you can get these from hobbycity?

How long of flight times? yeah i definitely need to get better smaller electronics. Thanks for the tips/info man!
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Old 08-17-2008, 05:42 PM
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doughh!!!!
ahhh holy crap lol 60bucks for just the motor? i think thats my whole total expense to buy a motor/esc/lipo oh jeez lol


http://www.gobrushless.com/shop/inde...&ref=MD2505_LE

what?! how does that work? regular its 20bucks on sale its 24? lol?
http://www.gobrushless.com/shop/inde...dshow&ref=MH10
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http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...trunner_1550kv

maybe ok motor
nice 6dollar motor(s) hehe
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...runner__1200kv

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...less_Outrunner

wow nice esc's
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...Simple_30A_ESC

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...d_programmable)

Battery:http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...0C_Lipoly_Pack

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...0C_Lipoly_Pack

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...0C_Lipoly_Pack

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...0C_Lipoly_Pack

servos:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...ec_Micro_Servo

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...ec_Micro_Servo

and receiver.
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...rsion_Rx_72mhz

now to make a shopping list for a bird maybe 2 birds.

propsaver
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=4508

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Old 08-17-2008, 06:14 PM
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Well your thread title does say" Good advice on GOOD 3D setups" LOL
MD 2505 3D is 1200kv-don't know what that equates too on a hobbycity motor-1200 kv on a good motor doesn't neccesarily equate on a "value" motor. But for $6 give it a try. Personally have had my day with those type of motors, it's cost me several airframes from them seizing in flight usually during a low hover. So I don't take chances anymore, I just go with what I know is a good quality(American!) motor for that size plane and that's one less thing I have to worry about. Also those nameless ESC's I've installed for other folks have come back to haunt me(hey, my plane crashed when the system cut out) so I shy away from them too. Seems you either get one that works or one that fries or doesn't work right off the bat. My LHS always tells people not to bring those motors/ESCs back they won't warranty them. Buyer Beware! My .02
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Oh and flight times are about 7-8min on 730 packs with a 9 x 5 prop(bigger, low pitch props are best for 3D). For 3D flights thats about the max you'll want to do anyway. Cracks me up when people think they're going to do 20-30min of 3D. Even the pros usually don't fly more than 10-15min on gassers just because 3D takes that much more brain power to fly than sport flying. Don't try and over do it with a 30amp esc on a 10-12amp system the plane doesn't need the extra weight. In 3D, lite is right. Big packs and oversized components will not help flight characteristics. So try and keep everything as lite as possible.
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Old 08-17-2008, 06:23 PM
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YEah im not like offending or like i dont know disrespecting you or something. Its just the price im lookin for now i guess. I mean i would still like the 200w/lb performance. But when i get a full time job i will start buying better quality motors like that micro dan motor you showed im just shocked at its price. Ive had a few hobbycity motors so far they have treated me well. Im just looking for small tiny powerplants so that i can build small foamies(make designs to sell to Rcpowers)

yeah im sorry i didnt take your advice i just dont have too much money im going on reviews and what not. But i would still like a lightweight 3D foamie so i read that these motors can hover a 11oz bird on a 9x4.7 SF prop so it sounds pretty good.

I would really like to start buying better quality things but right now that motori s half my available spending money so gotta get lots and take chances i guess.
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Old 08-17-2008, 06:25 PM
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Ok light it is, i was lookin at this motor below:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...runner__1200kv

This motor HOVERS a 12oz Foamy on a 3 cell Lipo and a 9x4.7 SF prop at half throttle!!!!!!---- you think this is true?

But if im going to learn 3D(well it helps to have reliable good quality stuff too) i woudl like to have it light and small(so when LVC kicks in i dont nose in hard and snap the props)

I was watchin the video up there i can almost understand how you do a rolling harrier. thats awesome how slow you guys do it lol

yeah those low level loops and knife edge loops i dont know... lol
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It's a little heavier than the MD but if it swings a 9 x 5HD(GWS) prop it should work OK. Just try and use smaller 700mah sized packs and decent light servos. What plane are you considering?(Clik-hint hint) And for 3D practice just go 3 mistakes high first off and when you get more confident start venturing lower.
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Ok light it is, i was lookin at this motor below:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...runner__1200kv

This motor HOVERS a 12oz Foamy on a 3 cell Lipo and a 9x4.7 SF prop at half throttle!!!!!!---- you think this is true?

But if im going to learn 3D(well it helps to have reliable good quality stuff too) i woudl like to have it light and small(so when LVC kicks in i dont nose in hard and snap the props)

I was watchin the video up there i can almost understand how you do a rolling harrier. thats awesome how slow you guys do it lol

yeah those low level loops and knife edge loops i dont know... lol
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:57 PM
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I hear you on the "keeping it cheap" thing. I just finished building the Clik (plans form EDFrules, thanks again!) and I'm using a Turnigy 2830 1100kv bell-type motor, a 9x4.7 prop, with an 18A Turnigy Basic ESC. I used hxt 5g servos for the tail surfaces, and a 9g servo for ailerons. I think that setup comes to about $35. The smallest battieries I have are Polyquest 2s 1200mah or LoongMax 3s 800mah. Components are probably heavier than they need ot be, but thats what I had on hand. I haven't flown yet (too windy this weekend) but I'll let you know how it does. I think my AUW is about 12-13oz.

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Motor: http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idproduct=2111
ESC: http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=2168
5g Servo: http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...?idProduct=663
9g servo: http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...?idProduct=662
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If you don't quite get the flight performance out of the 9 x 4.7 your were looking for, try the GWS 9 x 5 HD props(butter knife blade) They tend to give you a little more performance than an APC slo-fly. GWS props are cheaper too. I just don't like GWS slo-fly props, they flex way too much. For slo-flys I'd stick with APC's. My .02 Good luck on your maiden, please post some pics on the Clik 52" thread. For calmer winds and 3D you might want to stick with the 800 packs and for windier conditions and pattern flying go with the 1200.
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I hear you on the "keeping it cheap" thing. I just finished building the Clik (plans form EDFrules, thanks again!) and I'm using a Turnigy 2830 1100kv bell-type motor, a 9x4.7 prop, with an 18A Turnigy Basic ESC. I used hxt 5g servos for the tail surfaces, and a 9g servo for ailerons. I think that setup comes to about $35. The smallest battieries I have are Polyquest 2s 1200mah or LoongMax 3s 800mah. Components are probably heavier than they need ot be, but thats what I had on hand. I haven't flown yet (too windy this weekend) but I'll let you know how it does. I think my AUW is about 12-13oz.

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Motor: http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idproduct=2111
ESC: http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=2168
5g Servo: http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...?idProduct=663
9g servo: http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...?idProduct=662
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:02 AM
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Thanks for the info and tips!! nice setup there aero_k
i dont know about the click(printer dont work)
ive got plenty off FFF to build a basic 3D plane

i hear ya on the 3 mistakes high now how much is a mistake? 100ft? or so?

thanks again
glad that you guys understand me on being cheap.
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3 mistakes high is kind of "at your discretion altitude" based on your abilities and the plane you're flying. You know your flying capabilities and your particular plane better than anyone so leave yourself plenty of pull out room just in case. I've been guilty of getting too comfortable down low and almost paid for it once or twice(can you say pucker factor?). When you get your printer fixed or a new one let me know and I'll hook you up with Clik drawings.
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Old 08-18-2008, 01:38 PM
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Cool yeah i just gotta buy a black print cartridge, what is this like a PDF plan? where i attach the pages together to make one big picture? Chellie sent me a maverick for an outline gotta find it.

i figured id start with a simple yak
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What I have are some line drawings also and overlay of 3 similar planes, Index, Manta, Clik and some PDF files from another source. These need to be modified a little for outdoor use-stretch the nose moment 1" and the tail moment 2" for better tracking and outdoor performance. You'll need to blow them up to whatever size you need them. I've made from 27" to 52" WS versions from blowing up the kit parts on my printer. I can pretty much quarantee you that it will fly 3D/pattern better than anything else. It's the same as I've given everyone else and there's been only raves about it.
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Originally Posted by EDFrules View Post
If you don't quite get the flight performance out of the 9 x 4.7 your were looking for, try the GWS 9 x 5 HD props(butter knife blade) They tend to give you a little more performance than an APC slo-fly. GWS props are cheaper too. I just don't like GWS slo-fly props, they flex way too much. For slo-flys I'd stick with APC's. My .02 Good luck on your maiden, please post some pics on the Clik 52" thread. For calmer winds and 3D you might want to stick with the 800 packs and for windier conditions and pattern flying go with the 1200.
Thanks for the tip on the props. I just bought the 9x4.7, so I haven't tried it out yet. I was using 10x4.7 but it was too hard on the motor. I'll see if I can pick up some 9x5HD's next chance I get. Just waiting for a calm day....
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But i thought you could fly 3D on a not so calm day ???
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Well, all weekend it has been like 20-30mph, so calm is a relative term. It will be the maiden flight too, so I'd like it to be pretty still...
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ahhh ok no sense in destroying a brand new bird. cool
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Just to let you know how good the Clik planform is, a local pilot who just happens to be one of the best RC pilots in the world(can't mention names-you know how that goes) flew the Clik-X and said it flew like a real plane should(for a foamie) and he thought it flew better than the original F3P version. When you get professional input like that you know you're on the right track. Like I've said, helped supervise a few Clik builds for some totally novice pilots who had never flown a plane much less a 3D plane and they did loops and rolls on their first few flights. I handed the TX off to an old fart one day who said "Oh I'll never be able to fly a plane like that", and had him doing loops and rolls about a minute into the flight and he couldn't believe it tracked so well and went where he pointed it. Guess when you're used to sport flyers the Clik is quite a pleasant suprise.
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What I have are some line drawings also and overlay of 3 similar planes, Index, Manta, Clik and some PDF files from another source. These need to be modified a little for outdoor use-stretch the nose moment 1" and the tail moment 2" for better tracking and outdoor performance. You'll need to blow them up to whatever size you need them. I've made from 27" to 52" WS versions from blowing up the kit parts on my printer. I can pretty much quarantee you that it will fly 3D/pattern better than anything else. It's the same as I've given everyone else and there's been only raves about it.
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Alright yeah i just need to get my printer a cartridge and also learn how to expand. Ahhh i cant wait till i order and get my electronics in 3D flying and other small over powered foamies ahhhh.... now i can do a climbing roll out of the grapes without troubles(last time tried to show off nosed into the ground lol) most ive ever done with 3D was rolls mainly, no hovering though the powerplant couldnt do it, the very first time i tried it the rates were wayy wayy to high lol see below:

also you'l see what i mean about props breaking when my motor sinks 4in into the ground it took a firm tug to get her out lol

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLhc0O6uHh0[/media]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14daMvFDbDI[/media]

[media]http://www.vimeo.com/1001090[/media]

man after watching those old AV video's of mine i forgot how much i love doing AV videos lol its like when i watch them i feel like a passenger/pilot lol.

ooo you know what i realize is that with a 3D powerplant if i made an AV plane with it with some pretty big wings, i could fly for about 20+ minutes i mean if you can hover ath half throttle wow... ya know?

oh yeah on that vimeo video my first inverted flight ooo yeah! lol
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Ahh built this AV bird, i dont know if she'll fly though, darn skewer stick wings are hard to attach to the fuse while keeping the wing straight and have a good angle of attack ill post pics in a sec.

Weighs aroudn 25-30oz, got a 3cell 1800mah lipo, park 480 on a 10x7 APC prop which the shaft broke and you dont want to know how i attached the prop on someone would probably smack me for being so dumb lol.

i plan on doing some sick rear view AV with it(since i had to place the battery in a spot i didnt want ti to be, darn pushers. Normally my builds look Alot better like when i build puller bushplanes and what not, only problem is this FFF stuff i cant fold too easily(thats why i think it would be great for 10oz light foamies) dollar tree foam board though its light and bendable and it holds the shape. I build in my basement i hate the moisture it weakens the foam alot.

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I noticed that you have your wires exposed on your Lipo where you soldered it to the Deans connector. You really shoul put some shrink tubing around them, or at least some electrical tape or something. Its only a matter of time before something shorts them. Lipos have burned down people's homes, and you should take every precaution against that happening to you. Even accidentally putting your fingers across them might shock you. Shrink tubing also helps the connection and will keep the connector from pulling off as easy.

Other than that, nice build.
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That lipo looks horrid man. I'd really think of getting rid of that. I mean as aero K said, the fire danger is definately there, especially with a battery in that condition.

If I were you I would try to get a foamie under 7oz., it would be cheaper and you could buy more batteries.
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