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Old 02-19-2018, 03:52 PM   #26
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In the 80's my friend had a MEN trainer. He modified it to have outer ailerons and large inner flaps.

It was capable of very short takeoffs and landings, just like the tundra cubs in Alaska.
I remember that it did not like cross wind with the flaps down. He crashed it by no fault of the plane, and still needs to repair the broken wing, this time he wants to put in a stabilized receiver to help stop the squirrellyness when close to the ground and during takeoff.

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In the 80's my friend had a MEN trainer. He modified it to have outer ailerons and large inner flaps.

It was capable of very short takeoffs and landings, just like the tundra cubs in Alaska.
I remember that it did not like cross wind with the flaps down. He crashed it by no fault of the plane, and still needs to repair the broken wing, this time he wants to put in a stabilized receiver to help stop the squirrellyness when close to the ground and during takeoff.
CooL!
I actually thought about doing that when I had to repair the wing. Nice to know someone did it successfully! She is squirrelly- that long arm between motor and rudder / rudder and CG makes for some anxious moments on takeoffs. Landings aren't too bad.
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BTW, I hope to hear he fixes that broken wing to fly her again!
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:07 AM   #28
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Not sure what happened - at about 100' and just before turning a right base she nosed down. Up elevator had no effect, released it and pulled throttle off, pulled elevator again and just before impact I saw a slight correction but she did a belly flop on the desert floor. Landing gear splayed but no damage to fuselage except at the firewall and it looks superficial. Prop broken and motor has some gravel in it so I'll have to get that taken apart and cleaned.
Had already done 2 flights with it in a nice soft breeze down the runway for some touch and goes.
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:31 PM   #29
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Took it apart this weekend and cleaned it up nice first. Damage was actually quite light and just needed cleaning up for a good glue joint and some clamps as it set. The last minute recovery and the flexible landing gear took most of the energy out of the impact. Gear got straightened and the clamps came off - all is straight again. Will take some pictures before and after I get covering underway. Can't wait to get her back into n the air. It's such a simple plane and just flies around in the pattern, but damn it's fun. On calm days touch and goes are a blast.
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Old 03-11-2018, 11:02 AM   #30
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Some minor issues with a slipped collar on the motor, cleaned the inside of the motor with air and did a run up with no vibration. So she runs well and is going to the field this morning for a flight. Should be quite calm after the rains yesterday.
So do I take the Cub or the Stearman with her? Dang it, might be time to get a van.
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Old 03-12-2018, 04:53 AM   #31
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The weather held, ran 2 batteries and a couple touch and go's. She flies great and I didn't have to touch the trims. Had a slight xwind and that was kinda fun, but it is weird with no aileron.
Gotta get me a hat cam or something...she looks great in the air and really is kinda big for a trainer.


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Old 03-12-2018, 10:26 AM   #32
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Congrats! Happy to read that you're sorting out the plane and having successful flights with it.

Take care and thanks for posting at WattFlyer!!

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Congrats! Happy to read that you're sorting out the plane and having successful flights with it.
Thanks. Everyone at the club is curious about it and she is so big a simple it's just silly fun to buzz around in the pattern. She's almost as old as I am, so that is also rewarding to keep this one going.
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:35 AM   #34
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Got 3 more flights with her this morning...time to upgrade the battery. Been running 1500mah with a 9x7 prop. Eflite manual says I should be able to run 2600 mah - I think the little batteries were working way too hard.
Would also certainly help offset the 12 oz. ballast I got in the nose!
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Old 04-05-2018, 04:34 AM   #35
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AMPS ramp...
"Uh oh, that new guy's here"


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Overheard at a flying field;

"Wait a minute, you actually built that?"

The guy had 2 new foamies and was a beginner.



PS. you are making me want to get my kit out and finish it. I think it would be an interesting FPV plane. I could give my goggles to kids and let them see from the plane.

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Old 04-06-2018, 04:22 AM   #37
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I got the same question last week when I brought the House of Balsa Cub, from the dad who brought his son to fly his HZ Carbon Cub. I helped him the week before and the 8 yr old flew after I got it in the air. Sharp kid!
I landed it for him that day, but last week he took off, flew the pattern and landed by himself with a little coaching. Dad was proud and rightly so, as was I. Almost more so than any of my students who passed their checkrides, and I think I signed off at least 30 and 25 passed on the first attempt.
The funny part - kid knows more about flying than dad, but does not push his buttons, so I enjoyed a few moments when the boy elected to do something and dad tried to change his mind when I said "...he's right that is probably best", regarding the use of the GPS and the auto-land and other features he really didn't need.


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Originally Posted by Wildflyer View Post
Overheard at a flying field;

"Wait a minute, you actually built that?"

The guy had 2 new foamies and was a beginner.



PS. you are making me want to get my kit out and finish it. I think it would be an interesting FPV plane. I could give my goggles to kids and let them see from the plane.
It has become a favorite of mine simply because everyone wants to know about it and are shocked at how much fun it is, being at least 50 yrs. old.
BUILD IT WILDFLYER, they will come.
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Took her to fly this morning in the calm winds - she did great. Bumped up battery to 2200 and no change in balance (1500 prior). Solid 7 minutes with reserve at half throttle. Does no aerobatics but for some reason it is just plain fun flyer.


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I've been looking but can't find my partially started MEN trainer kit.
30 years ago my wife started it but lost interest in models other than watching me.

I have been very protective of the kit and wing, so I must have put it somewhere safe.

Apparently somewhere safe from me !

I wanted to finish it for the Winter Build Challenge, WBC we and many other clubs have every fall to summer.

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I've been looking but can't find my partially started MEN trainer kit.
30 years ago my wife started it but lost interest in models other than watching me.

I have been very protective of the kit and wing, so I must have put it somewhere safe.

Apparently somewhere safe from me !

I wanted to finish it for the Winter Build Challenge, WBC we and many other clubs have every fall to summer.
I do hope you find it and complete the build. Mine is always getting some questions and admiration. Even this weekend a group was chatting about her. One guy thought it was some newer kit because of the landing gear - my own fab - another thought...Yada, yada, yada. All in good fun and they all watched as she took a few laps around the pattern. She doesn't need much runway to takeoff, but sure eats it up landing...
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So now she sports a RunCam. Next time I must remember to flip the image, but lock your iPad screen and enjoy.

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This time a little more light and camera is right side up! Couple f bounce and go’s and a dead stick landing!
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FINALLY I just found my old kit.


I thought we had started the wing, but it looks like almost nothing was done.
Maybe just digging around in the kit, you know if you take more than 3 pieces out of a kit box, you can not get them back in so you can close the lid.


I will start studying this to build.

What is the flying weight of your plane?

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Got to read of your discovery, but have been out of town on assignment. Happy you found it and hope you have begun the build. I cannot remember the AUW, I think it was around 36 oz. but I return home tomorrow and look forward to sending you an accurate #.
Post plenty of pic’s!
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4 lbs. .07 oz with battery. And most of that is ballast...lol.
Flew mine 3 flights today and several commented “...you brought a new plane!”
I got a good laugh.
I really hope to hear your build is underway, and that you add ailerons, wing bolts, windows and an interior!
It doesn’t need a gyro.
Luck always,
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Thanks Michael, I hope to bring it in a little lighter but sometimes when you add functions like ailerons, it adds more weight than you would guess.


Not sure when I will get started, I am trying to finish a Klingberg Wing kit right now. More of a job than it should be. Some of the ribs are 3/8" short, some are right, and some are 3/8" too long, at the trailing edge. Variations between the spar and leading edge also. Old die-cut kit. I guess they didn't want to correct rib lengths. Thats very easy with laser cutting, and thats why laser kits fit together so well.

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Thanks Michael, I hope to bring it in a little lighter but sometimes when you add functions like ailerons, it adds more weight than you would guess.


Not sure when I will get started, I am trying to finish a Klingberg Wing kit right now. More of a job than it should be. Some of the ribs are 3/8" short, some are right, and some are 3/8" too long, at the trailing edge. Variations between the spar and leading edge also. Old die-cut kit. I guess they didn't want to correct rib lengths. Thats very easy with laser cutting, and thats why laser kits fit together so well.
You might consider making it a tricycle gear also, and do everything you can to keep the tail light. I have 12 oz in the nose to get CG balance and everything is in the nose and ahead of CG.
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I already thought about cutting out large areas of the light ply fuselage, seems like overkill to me the way they have it.



Might even build up a stick frame rear of the wing, like a Proctor Antic.

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I already thought about cutting out large areas of the light ply fuselage, seems like overkill to me the way they have it.



Might even build up a stick frame rear of the wing, like a Proctor Antic.
Oh yea, very good.
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