Daylight99

This one is going to sell out fast.
http://www.quietrcflying.com/Product...d=HP-BF109E-25

Fly Time

Whoa, that is really nice! Unfortunately, I just promissed my wife that I would not buy any more airplanes before Christmas.

PerlAddict

Hot damn! I've been waiting for this one for a while. Gotta wait till after Christmas now.

Lieutenant Loughead

That ME-109 looks really nice, but $210 is a bit expensive... :o

Fly Time

It's nice. You get what you pay for. I would have no qualms about paying that kind of money for Hyperion quality. Of course my airplane buying budget says differently

Ben D wing

But lightweight retracts are included in that price!
Although tail struts aren't. It says the builder needs to make them out of 2mm balsa.

It's uber cool anyway !

Lieutenant Loughead

Why do you need tail struts? The original airplane didn't have them on the early models, and my GWS ME-109 hasn't had them in 100+ flights.

Ben D wing

Because the real BF-109E had them. They are only for decorative puposes on this kit and are not structural so could be omitted if you're feeling particularly lazy I guess.

crash_out

It looks nice, as do most of their planes, but I worry about paying that much for what I've perceived to be their quality...I bought their 40e Extra 260, and 2 of the servo mounts broke out of the plane when I was drilling the servo mount holes. One was an easy fix, the elevator I had to remove the covering from the opposite side of the fuse...so now I have a gaping hole there, and after buying three different brands of white covering I still can't get one that matches.

The covering also wasn't very good-the color layer had cracked and seperated along every edge.

Maybe this was an exception, but considering what they charge for their planes, I'm not really up to taking a chance on it.

Lieutenant Loughead

Ugh -- I really hate it when people call me "lazy". Anyone who calls me "lazy" obviously has no idea who I am, or what I stand for...

Ben D wing

Oops, no offence LL, I didn't mean that you are lazy, I was trying to say that anyone who didn't feel like fitting the struts need not do so as they serve no structural purpose on that particular model.
Apologies if I hurt your feelings, that was not my intention.

merctech

Wow sounds like someone needs to get over themselves.

Lieutenant Loughead

Thanks man -- sorry about jumping on you like that... 2008 has not been kind to me at all... :o

Back on topic -- I've been eyeing this model for the last several years, but it's never in stock... The price sure is right though, and it won't tipstall on you, like the ME-109 would.

Fly Time

How do you know the 109 would tip stall while the Zero would not?

Lieutenant Loughead

Experience, my good man... Experience.

As far as warbirds go, the Zero airframe is extremely stable -- the ME-109 airframe is extremely UNstable. :o

crash_out

You'll find very few 109's used in RCCA scale combat. The consensus is that when done to scale, the tail group is simply too small. I can't verfiy that, but it does make sense-many of the German planes have smaller tailfeathers when compared to others.

The 109's that do fly in combat typically have the tail group enlarged.

I'm actually working on a hybrid GWS/scratchbuilt 109. The fuse and tail will be stock GWS, and the wing will be done to scale with my own airfoil, probably either an RG-15 or Eppler 205. I've had good luck with both airfoils for stable flight.

Bill G

Some of the other Hyperions have been at good sale prices at Allerc. I've been tempted. They all look nice.

Want a hybrid scratch build GWS style 109? The Stryker Man free plan (2 yrs ago) is exactly the same scale. I rounded the fuse formers a bit, to aviod the "Volvo" look, and copied the GWS airfoil section for my wing. The GWS section is close to an Eppler 205, with a bit more undercamber.

Fly Time

This is not something that I know for a fact to be true, but I think it has more to do with the wing design (and other features) of each particular scale model than what full size aircraft is being modeled. So it may be true that a GWS Zero flies better than a GWS Bf-109, but it may just as easily be true that a Hyperion 109 flies better than a World Models Zero. In fact, I have heard that the WM Zero is quite a handful.

Lieutenant Loughead

Perhaps -- but I will go out on a limb and say that even Depron "flat foamie" airplanes tend to fly like their full scale counterparts.

Bill G

I've been trying to say this forever. By rights, the 109 is widely accepted as one of the best profiles for scale warbirds. Long nose and tail moments, good wing area without unreasonalble taper or high aspect ratio. The Zero's short nose in itself, makes for a warbird that requires ballast. Whenever you have that, you will have many bad reports, as flyers just hate to make their plane any heavier with needed ballast. They do fly much better in all respects when heavier but balanced, but some just hate to add weight.

tommytorino

One of the best pilots at my field has a scratch built giant scale Zero. Let me tell you this thing is a MONSTER to land. Oh he gets it down all right, but 50% of the time it's over on the nose and goodbye prop. <Ca-Ching>

My 25 size China Zeke is a mild mannered model. Did they cheat like hell on the wing? You betcha!

FSK 109 also flew like a dream, but what would you expect from FSK.

Crash Out are their many P-51s flying RCCA? I ask as the scale 51 tail is smaller then both the Spitfire and the 109. That's full scale tail group that is.

If I had the the $$$ I think I would go with the KMP version. Photo of local electric guru's 109 enclosed. Flys like it's on rails. Another expert pilot though!

Guess all this babble adds up to we don't know how the Hyperion 109 is going to fly. My guess is about as good as, or better then their P-51 or their Spitfire.

And that's pretty good!

Tommy D

Lieutenant Loughead

...and it's a '109, so it's got to be good!

I know exactly what you mean about the ballast in the nose of the Zero. However, the solution is NOT to add ballast, but to go with a bigger motor.

cv640

Guess all this babble adds up to we don't know how the Hyperion 109 is going to fly. My guess is about as good as, or better then their P-51 or their Spitfire.

And that's pretty good!

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I hope it flys better than their P-51 25E, I had one, flew it three times and gave it away so I didn't have to look at it anymore and think about how much money I put into it. With 540W it would barely loop had the roll rate of a freight train and would just lumber around like a bloated slowflyer. Many of the plastic parts were under-molded the retracts kept falling apart and the included motor mount was too short to rear mount the motor and too long to radial mount it (not to mention it looked nothing like the one in the manual). I went back to my converted GP Combat Mustang and haven't looked back since.