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Old 05-18-2017, 01:08 PM
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Ever since Independence from Soviet era - the Baltic States have been in constant flux with 'identity'.

Latvia and Estonia had the greatest % of "other Soviet" peoples mixed into their populations - approached 50%. Lithuania had the least and was about 15%.

This led to the newly formed Govts to implement Nationalistic policies geared to 'protect national identity'. Strict criteria were imposed to determine if a FULL passport could be given to each individual - but this was only Latvia and Estonia. Still today a strict examination that even true Latvian's find hard is rule for anyone not qualified for automatic issue.
Lithuania welcomed all and asked all to promise to pay taxes, be good workers ... and were all given Full passports.

Latvia and Estonia along with Lithuania did allow certain nationalities such as British and Icelandic to buy and own property based on countries that recognised the Independence of each Baltic state.

I bought land and set up business based on this UK - Baltics relationship.

Today it was announced that from July 1st - no non-Latvian may buy property in Latvia without first making application to special Commission, who will then set date and time for person to make presentation to said Commission in ONLY full Latvian Language, the person themselves must demonstrate a full understanding of Latvian Language and culture during the presentation and questions.

This may sound reasonable as a protection against the small Latvian Population losing control of its real estate - but think again. Latvia is suffering serious financial problems regardless of Govt claims. A large number of able bodied workers have left Latvia to work elsewhere. Where I live approx in Ventspils, population has dwindled from ~39,000 to ~19,000 !
Also that Latvia is a full member of the European Union which requires each member state to agree to free movement of EU peoples and rights to work / own property etc.

Me ? Not much they can do to me unless they decide to expand into compulsory purchase of my assets ... given the stupidity of Nationalists - no g'tee they don't !! But honest - not a problem for me.

Sorry if it seems to conflict with No Politics threads ... but I wanted to get it off my chest !!

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Old 06-02-2017, 10:17 PM
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Bummer. We're seeing rising 'nationalism' all across the globe, unfortunately.
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Old 06-03-2017, 04:23 AM
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You are making Nationalism sound like a bad thing. It is just like money or a brick. Both can be put to good use or bad deeds. A brick can be used to build a city and infrastructure, or bash your neighbors head in.

Nationalism has two basic meanings:

1. Patriotic feeling of pride based on hard work, family values, working toward the good of the country and establishing sovereignty, self reliance, independence, and self governed. it is to be able to control the government and all means of production. That is the principles what the USA was built upon.

2. On the extreme side is superiority over other countries and cultures. It can be a belief that citizenship in a state should be limited to one ethnic, cultural, religious, or identity group as you have expressed.
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Old 06-03-2017, 12:12 PM
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The Law has been 'revised' to cover Agricultural and large land areas .... it has been explained that Latvian land was being bought up by various companys such as Swedish and Latvian holding / control of agriculture was being eroded. OK - I can accept that but Latvia still needs money and investment.

Derek .... there are basically two forms of this :

Patriotism > which I applaud. Be proud and uphold your Nationality. But Patriotism is generally regarded as the more broader minded version where your first "1. Patriotic feeling of pride based on hard work, family values, working toward the good of the country and establishing sovereignty, self reliance, independence, and self governed. it is to be able to control the government and all means of production. That is the principles what the USA was built upon. is the key ...

Nationalism > where Patriotism gets out of proportion and becomes all engulfing, stifles growth and understanding. It generally becomes blinkered and blind to reason around it.

As "mclarkson" rightly comments .... it is rising globally .....

It will eventually unless stopped destroy the very identities it claims to protect.

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Old 06-05-2017, 12:35 PM
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It will eventually unless stopped destroy the very identities it claims to protect.

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would be nice if more understood this, but most people can't see past next w/e...nor do they care to.

but on a side...playing w/RC stuff is a lot of fun!
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That's the trouble .... so many do not see past their own measly little worlds ... and that includes Politicians !!

Protectionism
Nationalism

Both only eventually harm the instigating body. It leads on to higher costs for ordinary people, it may give jobs - but at what price ?

The auto industry is a prime example of where successive Socialist Govt's in UK protected UK Car manufacturers ... the political party involved was funded by Unions .... we ended up with farm fields full of unsold useless cars .... it stifled development, it crippled factories upgrades and caused economic chaos .... those companies of course fell apart once the funding and protectionism stopped.

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Old 06-05-2017, 03:52 PM
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It used to be, in the U.S. military we were reminded that a true Patriot concentrated their efforts on the protection of the land we live in. A Nationalist was more concerned with the way/how we live (laws). Law enforcement agencies practiced similar values by supporting both.

Today, I'm pretty sure that "political" correctness (across the globe) has tried (or accomplished) meshing the two together and started calling it culture, without also considering religious, intellectual values and their differences.........with the goal to have all peoples cultures hold hands and believe we are one (which in reality, destroys the greatness of being individually different and diverse)........Thanks to Capitalism, I'm afraid there's no happy middle ground...!
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:32 PM
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Thanks to Capitalism, I'm afraid there's no happy middle ground...!
and you've probably hit the nail...with capitalism there will always be winners and losers. the winners are happy w/change and the losers will never want things to change.

no one wants to hear it but w/billions of people in the world and only so much work to do that quite a few are going to be displaced as time goes on. the older do not want or can't learn new things...at some point one will have to take care of the other or we become acceptable to just letting people rot in the street.

at some point we are going to have to decide if we're truly civilized or not. I sometimes believe that chimps treat each other better.
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Old 06-05-2017, 06:44 PM
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WE like to think that we are better than animals. Fact is we can be often worse than they are.

WTC Twin Towers New York
Oklahoma City
Manchester
London
Nice

are just a few examples of the Human Race ... we were MORE civilized when it was about tribe v tribe centuries ago .... at least it made sense then.

Culture ? A much mis-used word ......

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