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Old 11-17-2010, 06:07 AM
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Default E-flite Power 1.60 versus Hobbypartz Exceed Monster 1.60 brushless motors

Exceed Monster 1.60 Motor from Hobbypartz.com ($50)
- 10 lipo cells (XPS 40C batteries)
- 16"x15" APC E-prop (cut down from 20"x15")
- 100% throttle drawing 80 amps
- 3100 watts input power

E-flite Power 1.60 Motor from Horizonhobby ($160)
- 10 lipo cells (XPS 40C batteries)
- 16"x15" APC E-prop (cut down from 20"x15")
- 100% throttle drawing 95 amps
- 3300 watts input power

The above numbers show on the same prop, the E-flite motor draws more amps, making the motor run hotter and less efficient. I bought the E-flite motor thinking it would greatly outperform the cheaper Exceed Monster motor. The ground numbers tell a different story.

For all you wondering if spending more actually gives you more, that's not the case anymore. These days, even the cheaper priced products will perform just as good, if not better, than some of the name brands. This is not the case for all products, but it is in this case.

I was quite disappointed with what I got out of E-flite's motor. The plane did not fly any faster with the E-flite motor compared to the Exceed motor. Just wanted to share with people that spending more money doesn't always get you a better product. Not in this case at least.
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by twinbrother2010 View Post
Exceed Monster 1.60 Motor from Hobbypartz.com ($50)
- 10 lipo cells (XPS 40C batteries)
- 16"x15" APC E-prop (cut down from 20"x15")
- 100% throttle drawing 80 amps
- 3100 watts input power

E-flite Power 1.60 Motor from Horizonhobby ($160)
- 10 lipo cells (XPS 40C batteries)
- 16"x15" APC E-prop (cut down from 20"x15")
- 100% throttle drawing 95 amps
- 3300 watts input power

The above numbers show on the same prop, the E-flite motor draws more amps, making the motor run hotter and less efficient. I bought the E-flite motor thinking it would greatly outperform the cheaper Exceed Monster motor. The ground numbers tell a different story.

For all you wondering if spending more actually gives you more, that's not the case anymore. These days, even the cheaper priced products will perform just as good, if not better, than some of the name brands. This is not the case for all products, but it is in this case.

I was quite disappointed with what I got out of E-flite's motor. The plane did not fly any faster with the E-flite motor compared to the Exceed motor. Just wanted to share with people that spending more money doesn't always get you a better product. Not in this case at least.
I agree with you 100% SOME of the cheaper motors, esc work as good or better than the High End stuff, but, you have to know which brands they are, Thank you for bringing this subject up, I have had great luck with the Turnigy gold motors and ESC, the Turnigy SK motors dont seem to hold up as well as the gold motors, from what i hear, I just buy the gold motors anyway I will be looking into the Exceed motors now, I think we need to make a thread for All the Cheapy motors that compair to the high end motors and that work just as well or better Take Care, Chellie


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Old 11-17-2010, 01:16 PM
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Chellie,

The Monster Power motors that I've experienced packed some great power. You know that I am a die hard Headsuprc shopper (can't argue with Jeffs service), but the Monster Power 32 and 46 absolutely runs circles around Jeff's Power Up equivalent. They're great motors. Check them out.
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Old 11-17-2010, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CHELLIE View Post
I agree with you 100% SOME of the cheaper motors, esc work as good or better than the High End stuff, but, you have to know which brands they are, Thank you for bringing this subject up, I have had great luck with the Turnigy gold motors and ESC, the Turnigy SK motors dont seem to hold up as well as the gold motors, from what i hear, I just buy the gold motors anyway I will be looking into the Exceed motors now, I think we need tp make a thread for All the Cheapy motors that compair to the high end motors and that work just as well or better Take Care, Chellie


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I am with you 100%, right back at you. I've purchased AXI, E-flilte, Rimfire, and Atlas, all name brands. None of them have impressed me over the Exceed Monster motors. You do have to do your research though. Some non-name brands are junk. I've tried them.

There is only one name brand motor that I've used that really is the biggest bang for the buck. It is Scorpion's HK series motors (Hyperion also distributes this motor under their name, but it's basically the same motor). I have 2 of the HK-4035 motors and they are amazing. At $160 a pop, it's priced the same as the E-flite motor. I'll include the numbers on the motor when I get home, but this motor is rock solid. I run this thing on 10 cells and it powers my 58" electric Corsair at over 120mph. I don't have a radar gun, but it keeps up with the gas planes that have been clocked. The Hyperion(HK Scorpion equivalent) is the only motor I've used so far that is worth the $160.
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Old 11-18-2010, 01:26 AM
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I am using a bunch of hobbypartz motors and have been very happy with the motors performance. They are quiet run well and put out. The one thing I wish they did was give more info on props to use with the different motors they produce. Plus keep up with their inventory, but I seem to remember a time when HK had the same inventory problem.
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Old 11-18-2010, 01:45 AM
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I am with you 100%, right back at you. I've purchased AXI, E-flilte, Rimfire, and Atlas, all name brands. None of them have impressed me over the Exceed Monster motors. You do have to do your research though. Some non-name brands are junk. I've tried them.

There is only one name brand motor that I've used that really is the biggest bang for the buck. It is Scorpion's HK series motors (Hyperion also distributes this motor under their name, but it's basically the same motor). I have 2 of the HK-4035 motors and they are amazing. At $160 a pop, it's priced the same as the E-flite motor. I'll include the numbers on the motor when I get home, but this motor is rock solid. I run this thing on 10 cells and it powers my 58" electric Corsair at over 120mph. I don't have a radar gun, but it keeps up with the gas planes that have been clocked. The Hyperion(HK Scorpion equivalent) is the only motor I've used so far that is worth the $160.

Made a mistake. I run 8 cells lipo, not 10 cells. Just wanted to correct that. But it does go that fast.
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Originally Posted by idealhobbies View Post
Chellie,

The Monster Power motors that I've experienced packed some great power. You know that I am a die hard Headsuprc shopper (can't argue with Jeffs service), but the Monster Power 32 and 46 absolutely runs circles around Jeff's Power Up equivalent. They're great motors. Check them out.
Thats good to know It helps alot when others have tried and tested other motors and report on how well they work, thank you for your input, take care, Chellie
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Originally Posted by twinbrother2010 View Post
I am with you 100%, right back at you. I've purchased AXI, E-flilte, Rimfire, and Atlas, all name brands. None of them have impressed me over the Exceed Monster motors. You do have to do your research though. Some non-name brands are junk. I've tried them.

There is only one name brand motor that I've used that really is the biggest bang for the buck. It is Scorpion's HK series motors (Hyperion also distributes this motor under their name, but it's basically the same motor). I have 2 of the HK-4035 motors and they are amazing. At $160 a pop, it's priced the same as the E-flite motor. I'll include the numbers on the motor when I get home, but this motor is rock solid. I run this thing on 10 cells and it powers my 58" electric Corsair at over 120mph. I don't have a radar gun, but it keeps up with the gas planes that have been clocked. The Hyperion(HK Scorpion equivalent) is the only motor I've used so far that is worth the $160.
Another good (And expensive) brand of motor is the Hacker A series motors.

I've got an A30, two A40's, three A50's (-12s, and 16s) and a new A60-16M that is intended for an airplane next flying season. Most of these motors are three years old, and their performance has been flawless. (All three A50 series motors have over 200 flights each on them.)
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:43 AM
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Default Hyperion HP-4035 numbers

As promised, here are the Hyperion HP-4035 numbers:

8 lipo cells
11 7/8" x 10" E-Prop(cut down from 13"x10")
100 amps full throttle
2800 input watts
Using XPS 40c lipos

Very impressive for 8 lipo cell setup.

Regarding the Hacker motors, I've never bought one because on paper, I always thought the performance was a little lacking for the price point. I'm sure they're good motors, but at $110 for the A50 series that is recommended for a 7lb plane, I've found less expensive motors that offer better performance. However, at 200+ flights, that's pretty darn good. None of my motors have had 200+ flights yet.
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Originally Posted by twinbrother2010 View Post
As promised, here are the Hyperion HP-4035 numbers:

8 lipo cells
11 7/8" x 10" E-Prop(cut down from 13"x10")
100 amps full throttle
2800 input watts
Using XPS 40c lipos

Very impressive for 8 lipo cell setup.

Regarding the Hacker motors, I've never bought one because on paper, I always thought the performance was a little lacking for the price point. I'm sure they're good motors, but at $110 for the A50 series that is recommended for a 7lb plane, I've found less expensive motors that offer better performance. However, at 200+ flights, that's pretty darn good. None of my motors have had 200+ flights yet.
What kV is that motor - that is a tiny prop! Especially for 8 cells. Confused....??
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I realize that "seat of the pants" feelings from real-world performance are the ultimate arbiter of whether one motor is better than the other, but it would have been interesting to see RPM figures for each of these test runs. Simply using amps/watts-in tells you very little unless you know the relative efficiencies involved.
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Old 11-18-2010, 05:47 PM
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I realize that "seat of the pants" feelings from real-world performance are the ultimate arbiter of whether one motor is better than the other, but it would have been interesting to see RPM figures for each of these test runs. Simply using amps/watts-in tells you very little unless you know the relative efficiencies involved.
I've been testing and using these motors extensively so it's not a one time shot saying one motor is better than another. Same goes with the guy above who says he has 200+ flights on his Hacker motor. I'm also doing side by side comparisons of these motors on the same batteries and same prop every single weekend when I go fly. I wouldn't call that "seat of the pants."

And regarding rmp figures, I can't agree with adding that to the mix of numbers. Efficiency of a motor is based on amp draw and voltage input. Too much or too little increases and decreases the efficiency. You want top rpm, run the motor with no prop. amps/watts-in tell you a lot about a motor. And then flight times tell you the rest. I don't know how you measure and test your motors, but rpms are secondary when it comes to how a motor performs.
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Twinbrother - Dr. Kiwi is a pretty well known guy on RC forums. He tests motors - you might want to do a check/search for his test rig. Pretty impressive.

And I agree that RPM is very key to determining motor performance. For example that would answer the question I asked above.

Just sayin'

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Twinbrother - Dr. Kiwi is a pretty well known guy on RC forums. He tests motors - you might want to do a check/search for his test rig. Pretty impressive.

And I agree that RPM is very key to determining motor performance. For example that would answer the question I asked above.

Just sayin'

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I'm not saying rpms shouldn't be a part of the equation, and I'm sure Kiwi is knowledgeable about motors. He was stating that amps/watts-in aren't as important and I had to disagree with him. I may not post as much info as many other people around here, but I have done my fair share of testing.

As for the KV rating on the HP-4035, it's 500kv. On 8 cells, you can't prop it much higher or you'll go past the recommended amps. Hyperion's HP-4035 motor allows me to run 6 cells on a larger prop or 8 cells on a smaller one. I fly fast planes, so I decided I wanted more speed and bumped up the cells. On 6 cells, the motor will swing a 14"x12" apc e-prop and still go about 100mph. Still not a bad combo.
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I didn't want to stir up a hornet's nest... if you say Motor X is better than Motor Y in your plane that's fine... but RPM do matter!

Exceed Monster 1.60 Motor from Hobbypartz.com ($50)
- 10 lipo cells (XPS 40C batteries)
- 16"x15" APC E-prop (cut down from 20"x15")
- 100% throttle drawing 80 amps
- 3100 watts input power

E-flite Power 1.60 Motor from Horizonhobby ($160)
- 10 lipo cells (XPS 40C batteries)
- 16"x15" APC E-prop (cut down from 20"x15")
- 100% throttle drawing 95 amps
- 3300 watts input power

You say that the Exceed is, from your gauge of performance, a better motor because it draws fewer amps... fair enough... but those of us who were not there to see this difference in performance would like to know why. One can only assume that the E-flite generated fewer RPM from its greater input watts... that is, it is less efficient... all I am saying is that if you had given us RPM, and indeed the Exceed generated more RPM than the E-flite, then we could understand the better performance [which, without RPM, we must take on faith].

Cheers, Phil
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I need to get off my butt and get a tachometer I keep putting this off like I did a watt meter in the beginning of this hobby. Now I won't run a new motor and prop with out testing it first. I guess I am short changing myself on motor performance with out a tachometer they are not that expensive to buy. I think tower hobby have them for a around 25.00 bucks. I think this will be next on the agenda.
Dr. Kiwi thanks myself I keep forgetting that amps, and watts are not everything in a motor test.
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Originally Posted by gramps2161 View Post
I need to get off my butt and get a tachometer I keep putting this off like I did a watt meter in the beginning of this hobby. Now I won't run a new motor and prop with out testing it first. I guess I am short changing myself on motor performance with out a tachometer they are not that expensive to buy. I think tower hobby have them for a around 25.00 bucks. I think this will be next on the agenda.
Dr. Kiwi thanks myself I keep forgetting that amps, and watts are not everything in a motor test.
I've got an Astroflight Whattmeter, and a optical tach. When I put together a new motor/prop/battery pack, I take measurements of the system, including full power amps, volts, watts, and RPM. Put them on a labeling machine, and stick it on the battery pack along with the date.

That way, if the battery starts going south, you can repeat the checks and see what's what.

So far my three 6S2P A123 packs have the same exact performance as when they were brand new, some 200 flights each, three years ago.
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I didn't want to stir up a hornet's nest... if you say Motor X is better than Motor Y in your plane that's fine... but RPM do matter!

Exceed Monster 1.60 Motor from Hobbypartz.com ($50)
- 10 lipo cells (XPS 40C batteries)
- 16"x15" APC E-prop (cut down from 20"x15")
- 100% throttle drawing 80 amps
- 3100 watts input power

E-flite Power 1.60 Motor from Horizonhobby ($160)
- 10 lipo cells (XPS 40C batteries)
- 16"x15" APC E-prop (cut down from 20"x15")
- 100% throttle drawing 95 amps
- 3300 watts input power

You say that the Exceed is, from your gauge of performance, a better motor because it draws fewer amps... fair enough... but those of us who were not there to see this difference in performance would like to know why. One can only assume that the E-flite generated fewer RPM from its greater input watts... that is, it is less efficient... all I am saying is that if you had given us RPM, and indeed the Exceed generated more RPM than the E-flite, then we could understand the better performance [which, without RPM, we must take on faith].

Cheers, Phil
I think we're missing the point here. Let's just say the E-flite motor is a better motor. Is it $100 better? No. If there are people out there that are willing to spend the money just because it's an E-flite, AXI, or whatever name brand, they can. My point is there are motors out there that are less and perform almost as well or just as well as the name brand ones. In this case, the Exceed Monster motor does that. I'm not slicing hairs here. In the air, with the same battery packs, same prop, I see no difference in the E-flite 1.60 and the Exceed 1.60 Monster motor. I'm not here to show one motor pumps out 10 more watts or is 5% more efficient than the other. I'm saying the $160 price tag the E-flite motor carries isn't justified with so much competition out there. Again, so many motors cost less and have near the same performance, with some matching and exceeding.
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I think we're missing the point here...
I am no expert on electric motors and defer to the smarter guys above but the point that you are missing is that without knowing the rpm turned by each motor in your test you have an incomplete picture.

If the E-Flite motor turned more rpm's then the higher current draw makes sense and your conclusions on efficiency may be invalid. Without knowing the rpms we just don't know.

When an engine is run on a dynamometer torque is measured and then horsepower is calculated at any particular rpm. If you don't know the rpm's you can't calculate horsepower.

Watts and horsepower are really both the same thing, measures of power output. Our little watt meters are really amp meters and I suspect watts are calculated by a microprocessor.
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Now I know why I stopped posting. It's because people like Turner don't get what I'm trying to say. Already stated not splitting hairs and even said maybe the E-flite motor is better. Just saying it's not $100 better. Some people just can't read.
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I agree it's probably not worth a hundred more. I just bought a Monster Power 46 myself. I wasn't trying to give you a hard time. I just thought you were missing the significance of rpm's in your tests.
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I agree it's probably not worth a hundred more. I just bought a Monster Power 46 myself. I wasn't trying to give you a hard time. I just thought you were missing the significance of rpm's in your tests.
Hey, sorry if I sounded annoyed. No worries. It's all good. I'll try to keep my cool next time. Cheers.
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Originally Posted by gramps2161 View Post
I need to get off my butt and get a tachometer I keep putting this off like I did a watt meter in the beginning of this hobby. Now I won't run a new motor and prop with out testing it first. I guess I am short changing myself on motor performance with out a tachometer they are not that expensive to buy. I think tower hobby have them for a around 25.00 bucks. I think this will be next on the agenda.
Dr. Kiwi thanks myself I keep forgetting that amps, and watts are not everything in a motor test.
I have used one of these for 7 years now... it has always been reliable and accurate and reads both 2 and 3 blade to 99999rpm... for 5-6 blade impellers you just need a little math!

Mine cost me $54 7yrs ago... now it's $25... you can't go wrong.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...P?I=LXPT32&P=8

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I was quite disappointed with what I got out of E-flite's motor. The plane did not fly any faster with the E-flite motor compared to the Exceed motor.

I was quite willing to concede that your in-flight experience seems to confirm that the Exceed was the better motor (and a lot cheaper too)... as a scientist I was just wondering why it did better than the E-flite.... and RPM would have told me that.

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Along with the tach - the new Castle ICE controllers that give you many of these items IN FLIGHT! That is ultra cool.

Temp of ESC, RPM's, AMP's, voltage under load have added a whole new dimension. Static testing, while a great start is only part of the picture too.

Here is in-flight data from an Infinite motor that I did for a review.

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