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Old 02-04-2007, 07:02 AM
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Default SSOS (a Slow Stick build thread)

SSOS - Slow Stick On Steroids (for AP)


The SS has been around for years...almost everyone has owned one. It almost seems ridiculous to do a build thread on this but since the kit has changed and Wattflyer doesnt have a build thread (AP) - why not?

I'll start with the kit contents.

The fuse is made of fiberglass and comes in two pieces
The wing is different material (I'm told - I never had a SS before )
This kit came with a brushed 370 motor, the glider kit is still available

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If anyone has anything to add that is beneficial to the group, post away

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Old 02-04-2007, 07:11 AM
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Default Wing Brace

I first noticed that the fiberglass rods supplied with the kit are flimsy and will allow too much flex. I will use carbon fiber rods that will eliminate the flexing of the wing. With a camera strapped below the CG, the wings in stock form are vulnerable to folding.

The pictures below show the steps I used for the wing brace as well as a comparison of the carbon fiber vs fiberglass rods.

Here is a good source for the carbon fiber tubes and build like SAVS did for an alternative:

Alternative wing brace
http://www2.omnimodels.com/cgi-bin/w...I=MIDR5723&P=7

To use my method, find a Carbon Fiber Tube with a ID of .196"

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Old 02-04-2007, 07:22 AM
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Default The Wing

After both wing braces are complete, its time to install them on the wing. I use some good fiber reinforced strapping tape. The braces were glued in with 5 min. epoxy and taped as the pictures show. This will add some weight but the advantage of strength is whats needed.

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The last pic is the brand of strapping tape used.

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Old 02-04-2007, 07:28 AM
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Default Stabs

I opted to not use the supplied horizontal and vertical stabs. They seemed to flimsy for me so I made my own from 6 mm Depron. You can use the supplied stabs and they may work fine - its just personal preference

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Old 02-04-2007, 07:32 AM
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Hi Dave, looks like your going to have a nice strong SS, What motor are you going to use in it, I figure you will use a brushless, I would, I just dont like those brush motors, I need to get one of those just to keep in my car, and fly anytime I happen to be where there is a little room, Take care & have fun, Chellie
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Default Landing Gear & motor

I couldnt find a easy way to use the stock landing gear, so I will use a carbon fiber unit. Some new mounts had to be made so that the installation was user friendly. I also have a picture of the brushed motor next to the brushless motor. The brushless motor has 30 oz of thrust turning a 11 x 5.5 APCe at only 15 amps. Should have plenty of power - the way I like it

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Old 02-04-2007, 08:03 AM
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I'll fine tune the fuse later and add the control horns, servos, reciever, camera tray, esc.......

Its -20 F here right now with -40 F windchill. I got some time on my hands..lol
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Nice setup, that looks like its going to be a lot of fun, and lots of room for a camera Take care, Chellie
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The brushless motor I bought for my first ARF has those same frail, short wires coming out of it. Can you do a photo and description of how you solder wires or connectors to those to get a good secure electrical connection? I think I'm going to be attaching 16 gauge extension wires onto mine, followed by 4mm bullet connectors.
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Old 02-04-2007, 07:10 PM
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Glad you posted this - I've been away from the "SlowStick" for awhile, haven't bought a new one in years - and have wondered what the new fiberglass fuse would be like. Now, I know! From what I understand, they still offer the aluminum one too, but anodized black.
I believe I'll have to wander over to Tower and pick up one for myself - I've been eyeing the Yellow ones. Can't beat the price for a plane that does just about anything!
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Old 02-05-2007, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by herk_1 View Post
The brushless motor I bought for my first ARF has those same frail, short wires coming out of it. Can you do a photo and description of how you solder wires or connectors to those to get a good secure electrical connection? I think I'm going to be attaching 16 gauge extension wires onto mine, followed by 4mm bullet connectors.

Yep, sure will. I'm still waiting on a couple ESC's I ordered but when they come in I'll do a good photo description on that. Doesnt adding wire length add resistance to the motor? (maybe less current and a [time constant] change?) I'll have to read up on that again to be sure.

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Flyer - I wish I had the yellow or blue.....I guess I forgot they added colors to these! The fiberglass fuse is really strong, it will take more abuse than my Magpie fuse from what I can tell.
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Old 02-05-2007, 03:25 AM
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They've also got brown!!!
I went to Tower after I posted above and checked them out - there's red, yellow, green, and brown. Who would want a BROWN SS?
The green one was kinda cool-looking, too, but I ordered the yellow one 'cause it came with the fiberglass fuse. The others used black aluminum tubes.
Oh yeah - RED SlowSticks are "Temporarily Unavailable" right now at Tower! I hadn't intended to get a red one anyhow, but still - what gives?
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tell me about it, my SS has been on back order from Tower for 2 months now..
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You got some good ideas here Dave, I'll be following this and might have to get the camera gear on my SS . First thing is making a stab set-up like you did. Mine keeps needing repairs .
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The first SlowSticks I built without modding the tail feathers and yep - they're fragile! Heck, they're more likely to be broken taking the plane outta the house than in actual flight.
Then, I discovered the wonders of bamboo Barbeque Skewers. You'cn get them in various lengths at Krogers (or nearly anywhere).
Using fiberglass strapping tape one inch wide, I combo glued/taped them to the entire outer edges of the surfaces, a sort of "rim" if you will. A thin bead of glue on the edges of the surfaces works just fine, as the wood is pressed into it by the tape.
That bamboo's tough!
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Yep Bamboo is really tough. I used to see these scaffolds in Hong Kong and China when I traveled there. Amazing how many stories up they would build these things.
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Dave, anymore I slide a 5/16" wooden dowel down the fuselage. That way any screws you put in has wood to grab to and doesn't seem to strip out in use. Also strengthens the fuslage. With a brushless set up you don't even know the extra weight is there. Nice build thread. I wish, when I started out, there would have been a thread like this.
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Very nice work as always Dave, I dug up my old SS for a few pics also. You will note it also has a over-sized tail and 2 landing gear sets but it wasn't enough to keep it from bowing out on landing. The C/F landing gear is a much better design and wont give when needed most.

You can also see the the pics there are 2 wing saddles, The first one holds the MagpieAP wing and the seconds holds a braced SS wing. This gives a wider option for use in windy conditions. Both wings work fine and the saddles don't interfere with each other. This plane only needs some new landing gear modded on to fly again but its not bad for almost 3 years old.

Count on this thread as being part of stickies so well done again.
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Default Here is my Christmas list:

I'll be getting the following items to complete this thing:

3 1/2" lite wheels http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/218558.asp
HS 81 Micro servos (2) http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/759285.asp
12C 2200 3 cell lipo http://www.rc-dymond.com/index.php?productID=1369
Carbon Fiber landing gear http://www.hobby-lobby.com/landinggear.htm
(I borrowed the lg off the magpie for now ) back ordered till 3/07
3.5 mm bullet connectors http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/942078.asp
Set of Deans connectors http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/625085.asp

I already have the reciever and ESC (hopefully it shows up in the mail soon)

If anyone knows of any better deals than those above, please let me know! (dont be shy :o)

Order will go out in the next couple days.....

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Hey AviatorDave,
I notice in the (Yellow) SlowStick accessories, you're supposed to have a 6 in. servo extensions.
I've never used one on any previous SS - how come you need one now? Is it because of a two-piece fuse design, or what? The red ones (still not in stock) don't list them as required, but they're the aluminum fuse versions still. Does yours require one?
I've got several lying around, but am just curious.
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Oh yeah - I've got the same wheels you linked to on my Merlin.
What I do to lighten them further is - cut them completely in half! Very carefully, with a bandsaw - though I suppose you could use a standard X-Acto knife using a Dremel tool as a "lathe" and make a smooth cut that way. You'll have to hold on tight to cut through the plastic hub.
Now, you've got TWO super-light wheels where you had one before. First thing to do is to round off the cut edge to match the original. I use the Dremel again at low speed and hold sandpaper against the foam 'till it matches the curve of the uncut side. Then, do the other wheel.
Finally, I drill out the center of the wheels to accept a short length of aluminum tubing to fit the landing gear's shaft diameter. I epoxy this in place (it should be long enough to pass through the remaining original "hub" side and emerge through the foam side about 1/8 beyond the foam).
End result: very strong, LIGHT wheels. Mount 'em with the spokes on the outside for best looks.
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Originally Posted by Flyer 1 View Post
Hey AviatorDave,
I notice in the (Yellow) SlowStick accessories, you're supposed to have a 6 in. servo extensions.
I've never used one on any previous SS - how come you need one now? Is it because of a two-piece fuse design, or what? The red ones (still not in stock) don't list them as required, but they're the aluminum fuse versions still. Does yours require one?
I've got several lying around, but am just curious.
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Yep, it says in the [RED] manual that it is required...but I dont think you will need them. The servo leads are 10 inches....I'm sure you could make it work without the 6 inch extentions.

The fuse is ~31.5 inches long...is that the same as the old style?

I think they went to the two piece fuse is so they can save money on smaller boxes. Maybe somebody here can verify that

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Wow Kosh....that looks like a tail from a 3D plane...cool!
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It all depends on what servos and where you place them but there really is no need for them. The HS-55's have very long cords and its rare for me to add a extension to one. Mine are under the wing or just behind it.

The fuse is cut to fit the box, New box is stronger so there's not as much damaged in transport. The new size also allows for more to fit in a shipping container so it saves on overall shipping costs.

This yellow SS is just for fun and I wont hang a camera on this one.
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Originally Posted by aviatordave View Post
Wow Kosh....that looks like a tail from a 3D plane...cool!
With all the real planes and crazy bird around here my SS had todo 3D at times to survive.
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