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Old 03-18-2008, 10:23 AM
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Cool Building the glider flyer population in your club.

The thread is being created in conjunction with an article that appears in the April edition of RC Soaring Digest.

This is the opening paragraph from that article:
If your soaring club has a healthy membership and is not looking for new members then this discussion will not be of interest to you. But if your numbers are shrinking, if there donít seem to be any new glider pilots joining, then read on. There may be a tidbit of assistance buried somewhere in the discussion that follows.

The topic is around approaches for building glider membership in your club or flying group.

What methods or approaches do you use to help new members to enter into soaring?

Ours is a soaring club primarily, but 90% of the new members are small electric pilots. The article discusses an approach to help those new members learn to fly their small electrics and then to help introduce them to gliders.

The April 2008 issue of RC Soaring Digest
is now available for downloading from the RCSD web site
http://www.rcsoaringdigest.com
The issue highlights are now available at http://www.rcsoaringdigest.com/highlights.html

The article that this discussion references starts on Page 47.
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Old 03-28-2008, 09:29 PM
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Anyone a member of a glider club? Accepting park flyer pilots can really bring in some newglider pilots.
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I just posted two new articles on the Eastern Soaring League web site about how the League of Silent Flight can help you glider pilots grow.

http://forums.flyesl.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=342
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Old 09-29-2008, 03:29 AM
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In the past two months we have had 2 new parkflyer pilots join our club. One flying an Easy Star, One flying a Super Cub.

Both learned fairly quickly. Both have chosen gliders as their next plane. No one told them they had to move to pure gliders, but both got a taste and found this was a great way to fly.

BTW, Parkzone is now coming out with their own foam glider. It is an electric glider called the radian. Looks like it is going to give the Easy Glider a run for its money.
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I would like to add an update to this.

The Parkzone Radian e-glider mentioned in my September post is now out, and it is a winner. I have been reading posts by parkflyer pilots who have purchased this as their first e-glider, and they are loving it.

If yours is a glider club that has a growing population of parkflyer pilots, introduce them to the Radian. This will be a first good step into soaring that they will love.

This also makes a good first trainer plane for any new pilot. Since it is on 2.4 GHz the newbie is not going to make a mistake around frequency control

The included brushless motor/lipo in the RTF package is very good. Climbs are typically done at 50-70% throttle.

It is simple to set-up, hard to break and easy to fix.
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I am a member of a Glider club here in Huntsville. I do not own a glider yet. but I have been looking at the Aspire and now the Radian that I have seen online and in the LHS... I appreciate your positive input concerning the Radian. thanks
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:04 PM
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The Aspire glider is a very good 2M glider. If you are talking about the e-Aspire RTF, it is still a good glider, however they used to package it with a Speed 600 direct drive motor, 8X4 prop and a 6 cell NiCd pack, it is too heavy and under powered in that configuration.

To get it to climb well and to get the flying weight down, you would want to add a gearbox, 11X8 prop and an 8 cell NiMh A cell pack. Better would be to throw out the motor/ESC/Battery and put in a 150-250 watt brushless/lipo system. Now you will get good climbs and light enough weight for excellent soaring.

However the Radian comes that way right out of the box. Some may argue that the Aspire is a better glider. I don't know, but the Radian is very good and an excellent value for the money.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:54 PM
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i have a glider
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hello,
(i hope i did understand your opinion)

I am member in two rc-clubs ... a glider-club and a motor-plane-club. Because ... i am not allowed to use my parkflyers in the glider-club. The glider-club members are very specialist in flying thermal-soaring planes. (same as in the USA the cross-country-soarers). And some of them fly in F3J or F3B contest. They dont like it if some new member comes with his parkflyer (only easyglider or easystar can be used).
So for new members and kids it is not easy to learn with this old soaring-pilots.
The members in the glider-club are older then in the the motor-club and the glider-club does not grow up.

The members of the motor-plane club are more open to other rc-interest.
There i can fly motor, e-motor plane, gliders and e-gliders, flying wings and more.
There are more young kids flying ...they have his own group and times to fly with teacher.
And if the can fly a easy-glider electric ... we tell them to learn thermal-soaring (if they wont).
The motor-club grows up, specially in the last years ... by the foamie planes and the brushless/lipo technologie.


More and more the e-motorplanes and the parkflyer growth up and the young kids like them. And they learn more easy with a foamie then with a carbon-glider. So EPP is very good for the kids. They can chrash it and fly again. My EPP-Wing flies every time, every place and every weather. It crashes in trees and fences and is still alive. So EPP-Wing is also a good "first glider" for new members and kids.

Our kids first mostly learn to fly easy-glider, funjet, and epp-wing ... after this they can try to fly a glider more up in the sky ... started by winch or motor-plane. That is also good for new members which comes with its first airplane.

Thermal-RC-Soaring as F3J is more theoretical and they have to learn about wether and physical bases when they have its first flight in the mountains high up across the country.

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rubberducky:: I'm starting to like you alot!! looking forward to seeing more of your post, your bub,steve
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by aeajr:
If yours is a glider club that has a growing population of parkflyer pilots, introduce them to the Radian. This will be a first good step into soaring that they will love.
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If the members of the glider club like the foam-gliders?
(but i think they cant stop it ...)
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I'm a member of an electric/silent club that promotes gliders. While it's small, and most fly the park flyers and sm electrics, I'm trying to build an electric STOL tow and hopefully get some members interested in TD if I tow them. If it catches on enough, maybe we can host an event. It's a pretty small field to fly from, but I've caught a few good thermals so I think it can happen.
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Old 01-07-2009, 11:06 PM
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Rubberducky,

What you have seen with the glider club is not uncommon. My own club was once like that. And while there are still glider only clubs, what I read about is how more and more are opening up to electric gliders. This is still thermal soaring but with an electric launch rather than a winch launch.

Your field is still operated as a glider field in this case and the planes are flown in the same manner, as thermal duration gliders, F3J or F3K, but without the winch or hi-start.

Where the conflict comes in is when you start to get to electric airplanes. Airplanes are generally flown differently from gliders which can create conflicts in the air and on the ground. These are real and they need to be recognized.

Or club accepts certain types of parkflyers, but we limit them on size, power and speed. They must be operated according to glider field rules. We are still and will continue to be primarily a glider club and plan to remain so.

BTW this is a wonderful environment in which to learn to fly a typical parkflyer. But there is no place here for 3D, high speed aerobatics or the like. For those who wish to enjoy that kind of flying, we refer them to the power clubs. Some have memberships in both.

So, my observation is, if the airplane pilots will fly in a glider like fashion, then things can be worked out, otherwise the conflicts are real.

I outline this in more detail in the article.

But my real objective of the article was that parkflyer pilots who are learning to fly can live in a glider club if they understand that they will be flying by glider field rules which are different from power field rules. Under these terms, glider clubs can taken in new parkflyer pilots, teach them to fly their parkflyers, then introduce them to soaring.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:34 PM
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Hello AEAJR
you wrote: But my real objective of the article was that parkflyer pilots who are learning to fly can live in a glider club if they understand that they will be flying by glider field rules which are different from power field rules.
...

Yes ... i forget
... in our glider-club it is allowed to fly electric-gliders, as E-easyglider, E-Wings or other E-Gliders which look glider-typical. Not allowed are E-Jets or E-Powerd Planes like Piper oder Cessna, BiPipes and ... also not allowed is 3D and high speed aerobatics. Same rules as in your club.

But the young members and the kids like 3D-Flying and high speed. They want to fly Shockys and Funjets. Only E-Gliding or glider-like flying is not enough for them ...

So ... what we will do ??? (because ...they change to to motor-club and we have no kids in the glider club)

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Old 01-09-2009, 01:55 AM
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If they want to do that kind of flying, then let them go to the power clubs. But if you help them learn to fly, teach them to thermal their parkflyers, encourage them to get an e-glider, then some of them will find they love soaring.

As I say in the article, my unscientific estimate is that about 50% of the new pilots that we train eventually become glider or e-glider pilots. The other 50% leave to go to power clubs. That's OK with me.

Of the ones that stay, some of them are also members of the power clubs too.

Being introduced to soaring should be a standard part of a new pilots training and it should be done with their parkflyer. I learned to thermal with my aerobird. Once I got a taste, I was hooked.

Your smileage may vary.

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Point out how much quieter they are!
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The emergence of the Easy Glider and the Radian, as foam based gliders that thermal well, adds another level of comfort and attraction to the parkflyer crowd who like the resiliance and easy fix of foam. And Multiplex and ParkZone are brands that the parkflyer pilots know and trust.

Often, the traditional glider guys, especially the old timers, will try to push new pilots to build a wood kit or a wood ARF. If the new pilot is not interested in building or is afraid of wood, this can really turn off an RTF flyer. It almost chased me away.

Fortunately there was an RTF Spirit package available that was my first intro to gliders. I still have it. Today I direct the new guys to the foam gliders as their first step into soaring. It has been a good path.

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Yes that is right...

I wondered in the last german glider contest for kids, that the winner (and a lot of the first places) comes from powered clubs and not from glider clubs...
May be that they change to a glider club if they are older.

If i thought about this, i found out that the kids in a powered club spell more time at the rc-field for flying, learning (and having fun). And there a more younger kids.
So they meet together and fly together.

We tried to organize glider building evenings or weekend and teach them a little bit more to the theoretical basics over 15 years ago. That did not work...the want fly and have fun. Or they bring her notebook at the rc-field and play with the flight-simulator.
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When it comes to kids, you want to get them into the action right away. Once they are hooked, then you can start to teach them about the theroy.

You don't send your kid to a class on internal combustion engines, you send them to drivers education. Most will never open a hood. So why would we expect that they would want to understand aerodynamics or about construction before trying to fly?
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Hi AEAJR,

I read this thread with interest since I belong to a power club and am looking to build interest in gliders.

Additionally I'd be interested in hearing what your club, and other clubs, do to motivate flyer interest in coming out and flying. We have over 40 members in our club but the same 10-12 always seems to be the ones that fly, help out at events, participate in maintenance days, attend club meetings, etc.

Any tips or tricks to get more alll around club participation?

Thanks for sharing. --Don
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Originally Posted by DonB47 View Post
Hi AEAJR,

I read this thread with interest since I belong to a power club and am looking to build interest in gliders.

Additionally I'd be interested in hearing what your club, and other clubs, do to motivate flyer interest in coming out and flying. We have over 40 members in our club but the same 10-12 always seems to be the ones that fly, help out at events, participate in maintenance days, attend club meetings, etc.

Any tips or tricks to get more alll around club participation?

Thanks for sharing. --Don
If you want to hear about my club, read the article mentioned in the first post.

Same people all the time? That's typical.

One way to get more people involved is to spread out the authority, responsibility. Many people will follow but few will lead without being asked.

The best way is for you to be involved, get into a leadership role, then invite some of the less involved people to become more involved. I call this leadership through service.
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AEAJR,

Read your article. Our club has no problem with park pilots, helos, 3D or anything that flies really. All are welcome.

I was just looking for something to gin up activity. Several club members have electric powered gliders. How do you run a LMR contest for the electric gliders? Perhaps we could add something different to the mix this season. Thanks.

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LMR is a climb and glide event.

Set a maximum glide time. Then you set a target thermal soaring time. Then you set a target landing area.

How tough you make it determines who can participate and how challenging it will be.

Our LMR event is designed to be easy so that the least capable planes can compete.

Climb, up to 2 minutes.
Glide, 6 minutes,
Landing zone varies, but a 50 foor diamater circle or square would be a fairly easy target.

If you are targeting more competitive pilots, then search on F5J and see what people are doing. Also Yahoo F5J and LMR Glider Contests to see what other clubs are doing.
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Let's bring this one back.

Once a year I do a presentation about soaring for the local power club. I bring in some large TD gliders, some DLGs and electric gliders. This year we focused on electric gliders.

That was in May.

Since that time we have had a couple of pilots visit our glider field with Parkzone Radians. These are RTF electric gliders that are just fantastic. One of them has since joined our club.

In two weeks we are going to have a RES glider day. RES stands for Rudder/Elevator/Spoilers. These are simple gliders ( spoilers are optioal). Many Parflyers are R/E designs so they would qualify. The Radian is a RE design.

If you have glider pilots in your group, then just keep showing the rest of your club how much fun soaring can be. Some will join you and some will become hooked.

Give it a try

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